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Yes or No? Don't know which way to vote...

Discussion in 'Personal' started by gargoyle770, May 5, 2011.

  1. I've read the leaflets from both campaigns but I still don't know which way to vote.
    It seems to me that we are being offered a choice between a not very fair system and an equally unfair system.
    What to do, what to do...?
  2. I've read the leaflets from both campaigns but I still don't know which way to vote.
    It seems to me that we are being offered a choice between a not very fair system and an equally unfair system.
    What to do, what to do...?
  3. To the point, as always, Bauble! Thank you
  4. lapinrose

    lapinrose Star commenter

  5. Well that about covers the options!
    Now all I need is someone to say 'Don't bother'!
  6. Yes! Ranking is fun and the No campaign have been implying we're all so stupid that we could never understand how to do it (duh! I can count Mr Cameron).
  7. One of the Yes arguments is that an MP can be elected with only 10% of the electorate voting for them. That may be 10% of the overall electorate but it is a majority of the 15% of the electorate that BOTHERED to vote.
    If you can't be bothered to vote in a normal district/ parish /national election then changing the voting system is not going to ensure the right person for the job.
    Having said that we have the choice between a Tory, a 22 year old daughter of the Mayor and a Tree hugger.....I may add a box.

  8. BelleDuJour

    BelleDuJour Star commenter

    There's no doubt the system needs changing but not to AV.
    Problem is inequality of size within the constituencies. They need to split some of the bigger ones and, maybe, merge some of the smaller ones. It's fairer if each constituency has roughly equal numbers of constituents.
    AV is not hte way forward.
    Like Baubs, I'd be hard pressed to rank a 22 year old and a tree hugger anywhere in my vote!
  9. Bethannie

    Bethannie New commenter

    I cast my vote a few days ago (I have a postal vote).
    We have 9 candidates in the Ward where I live, and could choose 3. To be honest, I struggled. I knew I wanted to vote for one of the candidates, and I was equally sure that another candidate would not get my vote. The others were all pretty much as good/bad as each other. If I had been asked to rank them in order I would have been hard-pressed to differentiate between them.
    I know that under AV I could simply place a '1' next to my prefered candidate and left the rest of the sheet unranked, but that sort of defies the object.
  10. madenglishgirl

    madenglishgirl New commenter

  11. lurk_much

    lurk_much Occasional commenter

    Mainly out of nosiness.
    I am curious about how people think in elections. EG- is it really true when--
    the right say labour voters would have the bnp as their second choice
    the left say tories would have the BNP as their second choice
    the liberals say the left and the right prefer liberals

    Vote yes so I can find out please.
  12. Lara mfl 05

    Lara mfl 05 Star commenter

    That's my gripe about AV. Some votes may be discounted if you've just put 1 candidate who happens to be in the 'least pile' whilst other votes may be counted up to 3 times- so no more one man one vote!
    As someone locally pointed out clever politicians will say "Well put me down as your n<u>o</u> 2", so might get through by tactical voting & so what we'll end up with is the person who's least offensive to most people!
    They've just done something locally on the radio to show how AV works & it was interesting to hear the results. If all options are pretty similar there's little difference in results. If several are the same & votes are' transferred' whereas the 'pdd one out' won under the traditional system in AV ranking very much came into play.
    The traditional system isn't perfect & I don't like proportional representation as often this leads to no local responsibility, but neither do I believe AV is the way forward.
  13. DEmsley

    DEmsley New commenter

    I will be voting NO to AV. However I am very annoyed by the NO campaign which has fundamentally missed the point - but Camoron is involved so it would wouldn't it.
    AV gives some people more votes than others and it is usually the radical loonies whose votes get most weight. For example in a constituency where the following stand:
    • Nazi Party
    • BNP
    • Right Wing Fascist Loony Group
    • Conservatives
    • Labour
    Someone might vote:
    <ol>[*]Nazi Party[*]BNP[*]Right Wing Fascist Loony Group[*]Conservatives[*]Labour</ol>Given the right circumstances their vote could count 4 times, whereas mine only once.
    This is considered a FAIR system?
  14. DEmsley

    DEmsley New commenter

    ...however, according to the YES campaign's advertising, we'll all end up at the pub anyway [​IMG]...

    ...even those who don't want to go [​IMG]
  15. Crowbob

    Crowbob Lead commenter

    If NO wins I dread to imagine how smug Cameron will be. I think I will give the next PMQs a miss..
  16. lurk_much

    lurk_much Occasional commenter

    By gum, that sounds dreadful!
  17. Yes.
    I never again want to be placed in the situation I was (marginal of about 200 majority) where I had to vote Tory, against my beliefs, in order to get Labour out.
  18. I am SICK of most fat-cat MPs resting on their laurels in the Commons...with perks, privileges and designer suits.
    Most are self-serving and all their passion to represent the people who voted them in goes out the door once they get their first whopping pay-packet and generous expenses budget returned to them.
    <u>Just how many hours a year do they work?</u> They have an army of admin people to answer all the trivial "Who is going to mend the pot holes" questions..and the more serious "Let's pull out of Afghanistan" ire.
    There is something almost corrupt about a system which allows our representatives do sod all for ages. You know it's election time when they finally show up in their constituencies with enough smarm and oiliness to deep fry chips for every voter.
    I know where I live the same chap will be elected almost because of tradition, not because he is any good. In fact, he never has much opposition. Any fire in his belly went out circa 1980-something, when he was first elected. He does cut a dash in his expensive suits these days, it has to be said....and as for personal grooming , why, he is so sleek and polished, he could almost be a male model.
    How do we change that? We are paying for a lifestyle, not someone who gets stuck in and changes things.
    We all know Labour MPs and Tory ones are interchangeable. There is not a lot to choose between the two parties any more. Our Labour MP is the epitome of a Champagne Socialist...but the people allow him to carry on.
    Sound familiar?
  19. This is what happens anyway. Those who bother to vote are trying to keep out the ones they disagree with the most.
    AV might not be the perfect system but at least you can be honest and vote according to what you believe in. Then everybody can better assess what the people truly think and maybe eventually we might get a better system. If NO wins there will be little chance of change - they will turn it around saying that the people have decided that they <u>want</u> first past the post to stay, not that they want something better than AV.

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