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Yes, I know there's already a kindle thread - this one is for technophobes.

Discussion in 'Book club' started by buntycat, Dec 17, 2010.

  1. Now, i seem to think they are hand held things. They are bigger than an i phone. Maybe the screen size is about the same area as one of those mini kelloggs cereal boxes you get in hotels.
    You can download books and read them. Yes?
    A few questions:
    <ol>[*]what is the power source?[*]do the downloaded "books" stay on your kindle? Like does it have enough memory to have hundreds of books on it, or do you have to take some off and store them somewhere else?[*]Is it light to hold, so I can read in bed?[*]Does it have a back light?[*]can you change the font size?[*]Is it easier to use than it is to text, becasue I struggle to do the latter?[*]how much are the books?[*]Can you buy any new book for your kindle?</ol>
     
  2. TheoGriff

    TheoGriff Star commenter

    I think I can have a go in Technophobe language at answering these queries/concerns for you!
    Firstly, they are not the size of a Kellogg's individual cereal box. A lot bigger than that. Think rather . . . hang on, I'll just walk around the kitchen . . . a box of Uncle Ben's rice. But much, much thinner.
    Just a bit smaller than a paperback, but much, much thinner.
    1 It has a built-in rechargeable battery. It can be recharged from either a computer via the USB socket where you plug in your USB memory stick, or from a normal wall socket with a special plug they give you with it. You can also buy something to plug it into your car charger (aka cigar lighter).
    2 It can store up to 3,500 books. Is that enough for you?! But the best thing is to have a thousand or so max on your kindle, too cumbersome to scroll through otherwise,even though you organise them into categories. Books you have bought from Amazon are "backed-up" for you on Amazon's own site, so if you delete them you can always get them back. Other books, it's a good idea to keep them backed up on your computer in case of disaster.
    3. Weighs 8oz. About an average paperback, less than something fat like a Harry Potter
    4. No. So reading in the dark ain't possible unless you buy a case with a built-in light (I've got one - it's brilliant, but cost &pound;50 - don't tell Mrs TG) or a clip-on light.
    However, lack of backlight is considered an advantage as a) you don't get eye strain - it's just like a piece of paper, honest, and b) you can read outside in bright sunshine. Ever tried to read a text on your phone outside in the street? No problem with the Kindle - it's just like a piece of paper, honest!
    5. Yes there are about 8 different font sizes.
    6. Yes. Oh yes! My Mother aged 89 can use it.
    7. Several thousand (including all the Classics) for free. &pound;0. Others vary. The Girl with Dragon Tattoo, for example, is about &pound;2.35p. Mostly they are less than the paperback, but sometimes they are not and then there's a howl of protest.
    8. I got the very latest John Grisham in the middle of the night - it was delivered to my Kindle the moment it was published, while I was asleep, because I had pre-ordered it ready for publication.
    You will never regret it - best thing that I have ever, ever bought.
    ________________________________________________________
    TheoGriff. Member of the TES Careers Advice Service.
    The TES Careers Advice service runs seminars, one-to-one career advice, one-to-one interview coaching and an application review service.

    I shall be contributing to the Seminars on Saturday 8th January. TheoGriff Job Seminar
    Look forward to seeing you!
     
  3. Ooooohhhhh! Thank you very much. It does sound like a really exciting way to drag me into the 21stC. I would probably buy a case with a light too.
    I don't get why the books are not much cheaper than real paperbacks. that kind of defeats the whole idea of paperfree. I mean, I don't read massive amounts, but I do read very quickly and while a book is a book, it doesn't last me very long!
     
  4. TheoGriff

    TheoGriff Star commenter

    The free books should keep you going! But if not . . .
    You're going to need to take a deep breath and learn how to download some of the free books in the wrong format and then convert them to the Kindle format using the Calibre software.
    You can aslo use that software to download automatically every morning, for free, newspapers. it does it while you're making the porridge. Very simple to do.
    Very Simple Instructions given in the Kindle Club thread.
    Best wishes for you and your kindling!
    ____________________________________________________________
    TheoGriff. Member of the TES Careers Advice Service.
    The TES Careers Advice service runs seminars, one-to-one career advice, one-to-one interview coaching and an application review service.

    I shall be contributing to the Seminars on Saturday 8th January. TheoGriff Job Seminar
    Look forward to seeing you!
     
  5. impis

    impis New commenter

    I have the latest version and it allows you to put on mp3 tracks to listen to while you read. I'd like to know how many mp3 tracks it will safely store before it compromises the memory on there. Any ideas, Theo?
     
  6. impis

    impis New commenter

    Hmmm, just realised i can probably work this out for myself by plugging it into my pc. When it comes up as a storage drive, I can right click on there and see the properties - telling me the size, presumably of storage.
     
  7. Phoenixchild

    Phoenixchild Occasional commenter

    As one technophobe to another I hate mine, can't even go to the trouble of capitalizing hate, think hate is turning to total indifference!xx
     
  8. TheoGriff

    TheoGriff Star commenter

    Yes!
    I am a readie not a listenie, so I can't tell you how many mp3 files that is, however.
    ____________________________________________________________
    TheoGriff. Member of the TES Careers Advice Service.
    The TES Careers Advice service runs seminars and workshops, one-to-one careers and applications advice, one-to-one interview coaching and an application review service.
    I do Application and Interview one-to-ones, and also contribute to the Job Application Workshops. We look at application letters, executive summaries and interviews.
    The next Workshops I'm doing that still have vacancies are on Sunday 13th and Friday 25th February. There is also a specialist Workshop for applications to SLT on Saturday February 19th.
    Go to https://www.tes.co.uk/article.aspx?storyCode=6060678 for more details of these and other seminars.
    Look forward to seeing you!
     
  9. Bethannie

    Bethannie New commenter

    I am a complete and utter technophobe.
    When I did my PGCE I wrote a report on why calculators would never catch on in the classroom! (it <u>was</u> a few years ago!)....I completed my modular Math degree by avoiding any module with the words 'computing' or 'technology' in them! (Yes, I'm a tachnophobe with a BSC Hons!!)....check out some of my pleas for technical help over on personal (like the time I lost the reception on my TV, and had an-line master-class on what to do!)
    Despite this, I find the Kindle really easy! Downloading from Amazon is a doddle. (It's just choose a book and one-click!)...Downloading from other sites is only slightly less simple.
    You really need to read Theo's guide to using Calibre (The Very Easy Language version)....honestly it is a step-by-step guide. I followed it and on my first attempt I managed to get German and English newspapers onto my Kindle.....and then using Calibre I managed to download books from authors' own sites - and I worked out the method on my own!
    Honestly, if I can do it anyone can!
    I love my Kindle!
    (PS: .....I may have used download when I meant upload...I haven't any idea of the difference between the two terms!)
     
  10. TheoGriff

    TheoGriff Star commenter

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    I'll repeat on here the Very Easy Language instructions for getting free newspapers from Calibre.
    Here it is in Very Easy Language. (I needed the V.E.L. myself to begin with, so no problem). This is just for setting up the newspapers, not for other calibre use.
    1) Download calibre (do a google) and install. To do so you will need the Kindle e-mail for your Kindle. Get it from Home/Menu/Settings page 2. BUT: if you have wifi access add not the e-mail given on your kindle (theogriff@kindle.com) but the free wifi e-mail (theogriff@free.kindle.com). Documents e-mailed to the Kindle get charged on 3G, but with the free e-mail get sent for free via wifi.
    It will give you a chance to test the e-mail. If you are lucky it will work. On my 3 machines, 2 don't work (due to Firewall). Doesn't much matter however, see below. Plug your kindle into the computer with your USB lead so that calibre knows that you have a kindle and which one it is. You don't have to leave it in, so once it has read the books on your kindle (there is an extra column with them), you can then click Device on the menu bar, and Eject this device. NB you don't see Device on the menu unless you actually have your kindle plugged in.
    2) In menu bar Preferences, click Common Options (a brown square) then Page Setup, then Output; select Kindle.
    You can ignore the rest.
    3) Now from the menu bar click Fetch News, then Schedule News Download. Go down the list and click on a language and country you fancy - English UK, or Korean, or Serbian, or whatever.
    From the list of papers available in that country, select one. (NB Times is a pay by subscription, but most are free).
    4) Now set up a download. There is now a window next to your chosen news source. Click the tickbox for Schedule. Click the button next to Every day and set a time - it's GMT I suppose. Click save. You can after this then click the Download now bar, to get immediately whatever you have chosen, and see what it's like. It can take up to 7 or 8 minutes for some papers - you will see calibre's little whirring circle in bottom RH of screen as it works away on the job. Clogs up your RAM so that's why it's good to do it in middle of night.
    5) Repeat for any other paper you fancy having too. Good for language learning to have one foreign one. I am afraid that Hullo! magazine is not yet available in English but you can get it in Spanish.
    6) If you're lucky you get it e-mailed straight to your kindle, IF your calibre is open (even minimized) AND your machine is not asleep AND the e-mail works through your firewall. I get the download to happen at 5 am, but my netbook sleeps itself, and my desktops won't e-mail, so this is frustrating but not a problem for me as I have alternative . . .
    So all I do first thing is plug the USB lead (left permanently dangling from computer - I bought a spare) into the desktop. It immediately recognises the kindle, calibre has already downloaded the news onto the hard disk at 5 am, and so puts it onto the kindle in about 3 minutes.
    Faster than the kettle.
    Hope this helps!
    P.S. To read the paper, when you open it on your kindle you get an article. Well, obviously! But at bottom of screen it also says
    <Previous article View Section List Next article>
    Five-way controller works here. Click left for previous article (not if it's the 1st one . . .), click right for next article (if it's about the International Monetary Fund or Wayne Rooney - or Cheryl Cole) and click centre to get the section list.
    This gives you for most newspapers sections (News; International; Sport; Magazine, etc) plus a number. If you click eg News you'll get the first article there, use next page to read the rest of it, click right to go to next article. If from the sections screen you click on the number, you'll get a list of the articles in that section with a brief summary. Usually the list goes over several pages so you will need to do Next Page. Click on an article to select and open it, then Next Page to continue reading it.
    You get used to it pretty fast. More pictures than the bought ones (which have none) although the actual number depends on the newspaper itself. Mail has masses, so if there's an interesting article in one paper (Indy mentioned the height of that Arab sheikh's wife, no photo) you can sometimes go to Mail, look down their article list, and find an article that does have a photo. You don't actually have to read the article in the Mail . . .
    ____________________________________________________________
    TheoGriff. Member of the TES Careers Advice Service.
    The TES Careers Advice service runs seminars and workshops, one-to-one careers and applications advice, one-to-one interview coaching and an application review service.
    I do Application and Interview one-to-ones, and also contribute to the Job Application Workshops. We look at application letters, executive summaries and interviews.
    The next Workshops I'm doing that still have vacancies are on Sunday 13th and Friday 25th February. There is also a specialist Workshop for applications to SLT on Saturday February 19th.
    Go to https://www.tes.co.uk/article.aspx?storyCode=6060678 for more details of these and other seminars.
    Look forward to seeing you!
     
  11. Back to even more basics for me...
    I've come round to the idea of getting kindle or similar - mostly because when I'm packing to go on holiday I seldom know in advance what I'm going to feel like reading, so I end up packing loads of heavy p/backs *just in case*. I can see a kindle solving this problem. But are there differences between types of kindle, and if so, what should I look for? Do kindles have advantages over, say, iPads? I've never really got into mobile technology beyond a rather cumbersome laptop - my mobile phone only does phone calls and texts, and more recent technology baffles me a bit.
     
  12. You can only get a Kindle from Amazon (other than eBay, of course), and they will only sell you the newest generation anyway. Get the Kindle 3 with wifi, I am very happy with mine.
    An iPad is a <u>computer.</u> Kindle is an <u>ebook reader</u>. The greatest difference of ebook readers is the eInk technology, which is completely unlike a computer screen. If you buy an iPad, you will be able to read books on it exactly as long as on your PC, laptop or mobile phone without eye-strain, and you will have to deal with the pixelation and the glare from the screen. Ebook readers are like paper, i.e. you can read book all day if you like, even in direct sunlight, etc. (If you've ever tried to read a text message on your phone in direct sunlight, you'll know what I am talking about :) ). It is due to this essential difference between "screens" and "eInk" that ebook readers don't have a backlight (but then neither do paper books, do they?) Hope this helps.
     
  13. I still can't get my head around the fact that you have to pay a hundred quid for one and then the books cost the same as a paperback - crazy.
    I mean, I know you can get free books and cheap books, but these aren't popular books - they're like the equivalent of those &pound;1 paperbacks you get on market stalls.
    I want popular books, by well known acclaimed authors that are peer reviewed. And I ain't paying siz quid for the electronic version.
     
  14. impis

    impis New commenter

    You can get popular books.
    You can't loose a kindle book - its backed up online for you by Amazon.
    You can download an app for Kindle - so if you forget to take your kindle with you, you can carry on where you left off by accessing the book on a pc, or an iphone.
    Kindle books don't gather dust.
    Kindle books don't take up alot of space. Nor do they weigh a great deal, taking all your luggage allowance on holidays.
    The only thing you can't really do is loan the book to a friend.
     
  15. TheoGriff

    TheoGriff Star commenter


    I have actually saved well over the cost of the Kindle just on buying newspapers, which I get to download automatically for free.
    And Amazon does special offers - often for a day or so - which are very popular books at low prices or free.
    ____________________________________________________________
    TheoGriff. Member of the TES Careers Advice Service.
    The TES Careers Advice service runs seminars and workshops, one-to-one careers and applications advice, one-to-one interview coaching and an application review service.
    I do Application and Interview one-to-ones, and also contribute to the Job Application Workshops. We look at application letters, executive summaries and interviews.
    The next Workshops I'm doing that still have vacancies are on Sunday 13th and Friday 25th February. There is also a specialist Workshop for applications to SLT on Saturday February 19th.
    Go to https://www.tes.co.uk/article.aspx?storyCode=6060678 for more details of these and other seminars.
    Look forward to seeing you!
     

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