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Discussion in 'Behaviour' started by Lunar546, Nov 20, 2016.

  1. Lunar546

    Lunar546 Occasional commenter

    Hi. After some advice please. I have a very challenging Y9 class. Some of the students in there are lovely. Some are rude, some are downright disrespectful and speak to me like I'm a piece of s*** off their shoe.

    I don't accept this, obviously, and am at the point where I am exiting a small number on a regular basis. I have tried to speak to them on a 1:1 basis, to build relationships, but to no avail. I have rewarded the positive. I have differentiated the work. I have phoned parents. I have jumped through every hoop imaginable. And now I'm sat here on a Sunday morning dreading that I am going to have to face them in the morning!

    Help! Any advice? Thanks
  2. pepper5

    pepper5 Star commenter

    Hello Lunar546

    Sorry you are facing this difficult task. This is what I would do:

    Firstly, you have to have some type of system going on your class that makes it easy for you to take some of the stress off you. So use an easy to remember set of rules and rewards.


    Follow instructions fast
    Stay on Task
    Work without disturbing others

    Use your school's system for removing the students after the fair warnings as you have been doing.

    Ensure that you are sending positive post cards home to the one following the instructions and working hard.

    Does your school have a pastoral team? You have spoken to the students, you have phoned home, you have rewarded their positive behaviour but it still hasn't made any difference. You now need additional support from the school. Punishing these kids isn't going to make any difference as you can see. Someone has to think of something different. I read a lot of useful advice sent to me from Pivotal Education ( see their site) who are specialist in behaviour management. You could check out their site for anything you think may help.

    Does your school have a mentoring system in place? One thing the school could consider that instead of punishing these students is to give them "jobs" in the school community. Not as punishment but to give them self confidence and teach them to have empathy towards others. Some "jobs" could be to help in the library, help with year 7s reading, help organise activities after school, help with a sports club etc.

    I would speak to your line manager or SLT and ask them to come to the class just for backup where you outline your new rules and new routines and say that for the sake of everyone you are going to change the atmosphere and ways of working. Then outline your plan of rules and routines. If you can get away with it and the school allows it, I would ask the class to come in and stand behind their chairs until you invite them to sit down.

    You really shouldn't be expected to carry on like this without support from the school's leadership team or pastoral support for the small number who are causing the disruption. If you can identify the three or four which are causing the most disruption and work on those first through mentoring or other means instead of punishment, then the others may follow.
  3. Lunar546

    Lunar546 Occasional commenter

    Thank you for your response.

    I am going to laminate a copy of the school 'non negotiables' and put a copy on each table in the morning to serve as a reminder of expectation. I like the idea of explaining to the class that I am going to change the ways of working. I will lay out my expectations clearly.
    As a school we don't use postcards of praise but I do like the idea. Will mention to HOD.
    I am really trying to think outside the box on this one!

    Thanks again for your response, and empathy! It has already made me feel a little better x
  4. pepper5

    pepper5 Star commenter

    Hi Lunar546

    Domvisit the Pivotal Education site and sign up for their free tips and use their resources. I took one of their online courses three years ago and it helped me a lot as a supply teacher. There is a book called The Essential Guide to taking Care of Behaviour by Paul Dix of Pivotal and you might like to use the scripts in the book. By using scripts, you are able to remain calm and know exactly what to say.

    Students enjoy getting the post cards of praise since they can show them to mum and dad; then the parents can reward their chukldren as they deem fit. The post cards are also a reminder of how well they have worked/behaved.

    Do let us know of anything you use that gets some positive results as we are all learning all the time.

    Trust you have a better day tomorrow.
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  5. Lunar546

    Lunar546 Occasional commenter

    So after an incident on Monday, I requested a parent attend a meeting with me to discuss their child's behaviour. Parent agreed, but didn't arrive! Which just reinforces that this is a no win situation. If the parent won't support the school, where is the incentive for the child to alter their behaviour??
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  6. pepper5

    pepper5 Star commenter

    Stick with it. Phone the parent and say, " Sorry you weren't able to make our appointment. I have Wednesday at 3:30 or Friday at 4:00. Which slot is convenient?

    Have you seen any improvement at all this week?
  7. binaryhex

    binaryhex Lead commenter

    We have this kind of thing with many of our year 8 and 9 classes and have done for years, despite school-wide reviews, changes in the behaviour policy, getting specialist consultants in, having observations that focus on feedback, (trying to) getting parents in, using extra rewards, ensuring consistency, simplifying rules etc etc etc etc. The truth is little is going to work until Heads start suspending and excluding students, which rarely happens at our school - the parents and students have the right to do whatever they want even if you think they don't.

    You either need to develop a thick skin and ignore it or move to grammar school, a private school or abroad. Just give up. Whatever you try will just wear you out even more.

    (3 weeks 4 days til retirement.)
  8. Lunar546

    Lunar546 Occasional commenter

    We have had inset for 2 days, so not taught them since the incident on Monday. Have planned a lesson jam packed with competition so that might work. You never know!!
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  9. pepper5

    pepper5 Star commenter


    That you are still holding on is a good sign. Let us know how you get on.
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  10. Lunar546

    Lunar546 Occasional commenter

    Thanks Pepper5. I appreciate the support.
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  11. pepper5

    pepper5 Star commenter


    You are welcome. Observing and teaching many challenging classes over the past few years, I understand how difficult it can be when faced with classes like the one you describe in your original post. You are doing well to stick with them and I trust it gets better.
  12. Lunar546

    Lunar546 Occasional commenter

    Today was strange! I had my nqt induct observation this morning, during this lesson! I was quite pleased in a way to note that having a senior leader in the room made not the blindest bit of difference to behaviour!!! So I know it's not me!! That said, one of the common culprits was overheard telling a classmate not to get a detention because I will phone parents, and I will insist on the full half hour being served. I take this as progress...
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  13. pepper5

    pepper5 Star commenter

    You deserve a medal for sticking with your class. Well done. Just over under 3 weeks until the break and you can recoup.
  14. Lunar546

    Lunar546 Occasional commenter

    Today I witnessed a Christmas miracle. My Y9s were enjoyable! They did their work, no behaviour points were issued, and we even managed to have a little fun. Pinch me. Quick.
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  15. pepper5

    pepper5 Star commenter

    I like a good miracle story. Fantastic.

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