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Writing fiction

Discussion in 'Personal' started by Ivartheboneless, Jan 3, 2019.

  1. Ivartheboneless

    Ivartheboneless Star commenter

    Are any of you lot authors (published or not)? I am currently writing my third work which is giving me plot nightmares. I don't actually know if any of my previous works have been read, they are on Amazon, which so far as I can tell is about as useful as burning books. They only publicise or route people to authors who they think will sell, and don't care about new ones. Their "royalties" are peanuts too. They talk about "self promotion" on Twitter or Facebook, but I wouldn't know how, and have no wish to join either to be honest.

    Anyway without switching on the cliches, I am struggling a bit keeping all the threads of the plot together, without being as convoluted (or long winded) as many authors. I have written about 45,000 words of it, which is not enough really for novel length and too long for "novella". To be honest i wondered if I might find a co-author, but I don't know anybody, and am not sure I would trust anybody to not nick my story and go with it. I'm sure I haven't got the makings of a best-seller, as it is an old fashioned "genre" with characters (that are out of copyright) that are famous. Anybody wish to engage (without too much extraction of the Michael)?
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  2. monicabilongame

    monicabilongame Star commenter

    happy to discuss. - pm me?
  3. Ivartheboneless

    Ivartheboneless Star commenter

    Ta. Are the pms secure, or subject to "moderation"?
  4. Lara mfl 05

    Lara mfl 05 Star commenter

    They are secure in that other posters can't see them, though I believe mods may still have need of access in the advent of any problems.
  5. lanokia

    lanokia Star commenter

    No advice but best of luck.

    Sorry to say but I think Twitter and Facebook are two examples of the future for authors. I follow a few of my favourite writers on Twitter, I even get to engage with them.
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  6. JosieWhitehead

    JosieWhitehead Star commenter

    Yes, I'm a published children's poet as well as being a retired teacher. Most of my work, though, goes out to schools via my own websites or via this excellent website where teachers meet. My writing, of course, is quite different to your own but even so, I know it is almost impossible to get work published these days as there is so much competition. I do wish you all the luck in the world and it is interesting to hear of what you are doing on here.
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  7. lanokia

    lanokia Star commenter

    I used a Josie Whitehead poem in a lesson!
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  8. Dunteachin

    Dunteachin Star commenter

    Dear Ivar

    Jolly good luck, my dear! Of course, I can be of no help, because I don't write fiction.

    You do come over to my Problem Page to hone your skills, I see. Your latest offering, a reworking of a classic show song, was a masterclass in scatology. One always needs an 'ology'. I particularly liked the rhythm and cadence.

    Are you moving away from the erotic fiction genre, then? I bought your last copy for free on Amazon (Kindle). I slept with the light on for a week...

    If you need more inspiration in that area, be sure to pop into one of my upmarket dungeon nights.

    Yours, looking forwardly to it,

    Auntie Dunty (your mentor)
  9. sbkrobson

    sbkrobson Star commenter

    I am pleased to be frequently published , having been fortuitous enough to have won a few competitions when younger, probably rather through being precocious than actually good. And on the back of this I continue to be published in a couple of regular publications but I musn't say which.
    It was winning the writing awards when younger that swung it for me towards publication, because if you approach any publisher and say "I am the winner of bla bla, then they take that as of more import than the actual quality or content of what you submit. I guess that's commercialism for you. People will buy it/read it only if they know others have.
    I write a couple of columns and some features in a sort of newspaper magaziney thingummee, and only recently I have found somebody happy to take a few poems from me. I also frequently submit stuff on whim to magazines and actually it is not that hard to see your stuff in print irrespective of your published history.
    You'll be glad to know I no longer include poems in my posts for contractual reasons.
    Also because they are a bit shoite.
    I have written a handful of shabby risible novels, two of which have been published, and one of which I am proud, but only if you leave out chapter 7.

    OP-my advice is write it and send it off. And keep sending it off. And write more stuff and send it off. Keep doing it, and there you are. You wont get there by asking for advice. You'll get there by simply doing it.
    Paradoxically I suppose, that is my advice.

    O, and a truism-the more you read, the better and easier you will write. That's science. Fact.
  10. racroesus

    racroesus Star commenter

    There is no way I would want some of my little fantasies published anywhere near my name.
  11. Aquamarina1234

    Aquamarina1234 Star commenter

    I used a different name for almost everything. The publisher wasn't happy because if someone likes your stuff, they'll buy a story that has that name on it, but seeing as I was never on a contract, they could like it or lump it. I certainly never used my real name, and nor would I wish to be associated with much of the not very edifying fiction I turned out.
    i did most of mine before Twitter was invented so not much help to you, Ivar. Mainly short stories, but i did once win £400 in a poetry competition.:D
  12. Dunteachin

    Dunteachin Star commenter

    When I had leanings towards a literary career, I bought the Writers' & Artists' Yearbook. That will answer a lot of your questions, Ivar.

    @sbkrobson I could tell from reading your very first post that you're a wordsmith! Are you famous? :)
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  13. lanokia

    lanokia Star commenter

    Worked alright for E.L.James.
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  14. Ivartheboneless

    Ivartheboneless Star commenter

    Of course I'm using a pseudonym. When I tried to set up an account on facebook with that it told me, when i tried to "verify" it on the email, for no reasons I could discern, that I had breached their terms and conditions? and told me to foxtrot oscar. I haven't been near it since, and as you hear NOTHING but bad things about face(faece)book, I don't want to. The post by Dunty above refers to my first novel which is in the ... ahem ... "erotic" genre, on account of reading when researching about writing that men don't tend to write such stuff, and that none of it is written for people of, shall we say, "middle" age. Anyone who has read dire "erotic" stuff will know its all about minor latin nobles with exotic names with de or la in the middle and poor repressed english girls, with unsexy sex, or pervy stuff like EL James. I had a go. Its probably still on Amazon, but I haven't looked for a while and earned about 50p in royalites last year. I don't know if it was well received either cos nobody bothered to review it to say it was the biggest load of carp they had ever read. My current work is a period "adventure".
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  15. Ivartheboneless

    Ivartheboneless Star commenter

    You spelt "mental" wrong.
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  16. racroesus

    racroesus Star commenter

  17. Duke of York

    Duke of York Star commenter

    That's a shame. There's money to be made out of writing the Tory Party manifesto. If you'd got in early enough a few years ago, you could have made yourself a tidy few bob from writing "Brexit: a fantastic vision for Britain's future.
  18. JosieWhitehead

    JosieWhitehead Star commenter

    May I ask which one, and what did you do? I'd love to hear from teachers who get their children to perform poetry really well. Mostly I meet those who mumble into a piece of paper and sometimes I don't know which poem it is until I recognize something halfway through. It is such a pity as when we were children we all had to learn to throw our voices and put expression into poems learned by heart. (Another subject I'm sure).
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  19. JosieWhitehead

    JosieWhitehead Star commenter

    Perhaps I could have got the point over a bit better with rhyme and rhythm, ha ha
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  20. sbkrobson

    sbkrobson Star commenter

    Thank you!
    I suppose not so much famous as "known".
    The lodestar of Fame As A Writer inevitably carries the insincere burden of writing to commission, and doing this even only occasionally is a pressured and sterile experience, although I have one very good friend who thrives on it. She is a journalist, which is the strangest of writing beasts for the level of social responsibility it holds. She does well, she writes well, you have possibly all read her, and yet when we meet and chat there is absolutely nothing of her journalism in her thoughts. Nor is there anything of her actual persona in her journalism. That is not something I could ever do for a living, although I have made forays into that sort of thing.
    I'm way too nice to be proper famous.
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