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Would you report a crime if...

Discussion in 'Personal' started by Orkrider2, Apr 29, 2019.

  1. Orkrider2

    Orkrider2 Star commenter

    you had to hand over your phone, and access to your photos, emails and social media accounts so that the police could trawl through them looking for evidence that you're lying?
     
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  2. lanokia

    lanokia Star commenter

    Yes I would have when I was in that situation.
     
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  3. FrankWolley

    FrankWolley Star commenter


    The alternative may be the trial collapsing later...

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-42795058
     
  4. sparkleghirl

    sparkleghirl Star commenter

    That'll help get the rape/assault stats down then and save a bit of police time.
     
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  5. Orkrider2

    Orkrider2 Star commenter

    The alternative would be the case not going ahead.
     
  6. newposter

    newposter Occasional commenter

    For too long the Crown Prosecution Service has been terribly biased in its drive to prosecute more rape cases, including recently recently instructing its staff to refer to rape complainants as ‘victims’ -well hang on doesn’t it require court to prove anyone was a victim of anything?

    If some people had their way we would do away court cases for rape and just send people straight to jail on the word of one person.

    Of course there should be a full investigation and those who don’t allow it are perverting the course of justice.
     
  7. Doitforfree

    Doitforfree Star commenter

    It happens to the accused, and they don't get a say in the matter, so I don't see why it shouldn't happen the other way round. There may well be relevant evidence. To put it another way, if you were wrongly accused of a crime, wouldn't you expect the police to gather all the relevant evidence?
     
  8. Orkrider2

    Orkrider2 Star commenter

    So we'd all be happy for this to be the case if say we had our house burgled? Or if we were mugged?
     
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  9. LondonCanary

    LondonCanary Lead commenter

    Yes, if i was a victim of a crime and it would ensure prosecution of the perpetrator
     
  10. lanokia

    lanokia Star commenter

    If that is what is needed to ensure justice is served... yes... why wouldn't I want all the evidence presented to the police?
     
  11. newposter

    newposter Occasional commenter

    Or to put it another way, would we all be happy with a system where you go to jail if I say you burgled my house? Is my word enough?
     
  12. Lara mfl 05

    Lara mfl 05 Star commenter

    Yes, but then my phone doesn't get a great deal of use, other than 'boring' info texts to family and some family photos.
    And if I'd been violated, I too would want any means poss. available to catch and prosecute the perpetrator.
     
  13. lanokia

    lanokia Star commenter

    They could rifle through my pics of books I saw in Waterstones and intend to buy on Amazon. And that pic I took of my wife and I in a garden centre with an exotic background to try and make us look more exciting than we really are... and read my chats with old friends about Marvel movies and how amazing Endgame is [it is]...
     
  14. Orkrider2

    Orkrider2 Star commenter

    The point of a criminal investigation is to prove whether or not the accused is guilty. Proof that the person who did the accusing is a different offence. Treating anyone* who reports a crime as having to prove their innocence of something they've not formally been accused of is heavy handed and probably counter-productive.

    *and when I say 'anyone', it's going to disproportionately affect women, which is probably why so many are unconcerned about it.
     
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  15. Orkrider2

    Orkrider2 Star commenter

    So anyone who alleges they have been the victim of a crime should be automatically treated as a potential suspect?
     
  16. Orkrider2

    Orkrider2 Star commenter

    Why don't we just suggest that all people should be forced to give mandatory DNA samples. That should make it much easier to catch those responsible for crimes.
     
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  17. sparkleghirl

    sparkleghirl Star commenter

    Yes, but the problem is that we know that a woman's lifestyle can be, and often is, brought up in court and used against her, to demonstrate that rape wasn't rape.
    Women are already deterred from reporting these crimes by the idea of having their privates lives dissected in court, and this just seems to make it even less likely that rape will be reported.
    That's probably not the intention, but it's likely to be the outcome.
     
  18. A_Million_Posts

    A_Million_Posts Star commenter

    Victims have a right to privacy. Rape is massively underreported as it is and victims are going to feel concerned that if they have ever posted or written anything positive or sexual about their attacker, it will be used to minimise or disprove the allegations.
     
  19. newposter

    newposter Occasional commenter

    I thought there would an accusation of sexism in there!

    Considering the entire future of a man on the line and considering that there have more than just a few false accusations highlighted by communications records, I would say this was essential.
     
  20. A_Million_Posts

    A_Million_Posts Star commenter

    Men too. How many men will have sexually explicit material on their phone which is then used to show they were "up for it" if raped.
     
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