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Would you move down from UPS2 to m2?

Discussion in 'Career clinic' started by smartchick, Oct 18, 2019.

  1. smartchick

    smartchick New commenter

    I left a job last year - primary- where I had a middle leadership role, worked part time and was on ups2. I left due to poor management/bullying etc.
    Since then I have been doing supply. I am now looking for another part time post, but it appears I am too expensive. I applied for a post that didn’t say the pay scale but on my invite for interview it says the job will be m2. Now I feel quite sad at the idea of moving down, but am wondering if this is the only way to secure another part time teaching post? Should I do it or would this mean that I would now only be worth m2 if I applied elsewhere after this post?
    Confused!! Help appreciated xx
  2. Rott Weiler

    Rott Weiler Star commenter Forum guide

    I doubt p/time -v- f/time has any bearing on it. As you've discovered schools don't like to pay UPS to new staff when they can employ someone else more cheaply. And as pay portability was abolished a few years ago schools can pay you as little as they can get away with. They should really be honest in job ads about what they want to pay but they don't have to. Only at the point of making you a formal job offer do they have to be specific.

    Sadly many posters here have found that taking a pay cut is the only way to get a job, although it depends on the area you are in, your subject specialism and how much they want you.

    On the other hand it means that if they do want you enough to make you a job offer you can, and should, negotiate pay.

    When you get to point where you receive a formal job offer make sure it tells you what the salary offered is as the actual gross annual £xx,xxx cash amount. Do not accept a job offer that says only 'Scale Point X' or similar. This forum has many threads from people who accepted job offers that only stated 'M5' or whatever and only after they had started discovered that 'M5' pay at that school was much less than they had assumed.
  3. dammitjim22

    dammitjim22 New commenter

    The main issue is can you afford to go down to mp2? If you can’t, then move on and apply for other jobs.

    There are other part time jobs out there at higher points on the pay scale, it might just mean that you have to look further away.
  4. Corvuscorax

    Corvuscorax Star commenter

    Thats a price worth paying for enjoying life
  5. JohnJCazorla

    JohnJCazorla Star commenter

    Could you stay with supply and use this to hone your negotiating skills. Agencies employ the best negotiators and though they'll always be ahead of you as they have much better market knowledge you can at least improve. Also negotiating with Heads and HR is a lot easier as they don't necessarily have the skills either.

    If I'm a good negotiator it's because I occasionally buy drinks for a friend who's in business-to-business sales and so can run me through the various scenarios I present. Doesn't matter that he knows nothing of education as this has nothing to do with education skills. I've earned a lot more than the tenner he 'cost' me so I'm well ahead. Can you find a similar friend.
    catbefriender likes this.

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