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Would you be tempted to buy a milkshake when Tommy Robinson is in town?

Discussion in 'Personal' started by Duke of York, May 3, 2019.

  1. Scintillant

    Scintillant Star commenter

    Criminal convictions for violence on several occasions.

    Leading the EDL

    Speaking at marches where Nazi salutes are frequently given.

    Plenty of racism here:

    https://resistinghate.org/tommy-robinson-and-his-hate-tweets/
     
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  2. Jude Fawley

    Jude Fawley Star commenter

    What reports did you read?

    When was Yaxey-Lennon prosecuted for assault and against who?

    This is what I have seen via YouTube. As posted above but I'll post it again.


     
  3. Jude Fawley

    Jude Fawley Star commenter

    The criminal convictions would be interesting to see. Excellent evidence. How recent?

    Sadly, it's not a crime to be the leader of the obnoxious EDL.

    If a speaker doesn't demand a response from a crowd, the speaker can't be held responsible for the behaviour of a crowd. Is Yaxley-Lennon calling for those salutes?
     
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  4. ilovesooty

    ilovesooty Star commenter

    His convictions and custodial sentences for assault are easily found online.

    One of then was for assaulting a police officer who was trying to intervene to protect his girlfriend.
     
  5. InkyP

    InkyP Star commenter

    Posted on YouTube by www.votetommy.co.uk so not exactly impartial.

    Does anyone know why he goes by his assumed name?
     
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  6. Scintillant

    Scintillant Star commenter


    Assault
    In 2005, Robinson was jailed for 12 months for assault occasioning actual bodily harm, for which he was sentenced to 12 months’ imprisonment, and assault with intent to resist arrest, for which he received a concurrent term of three months.

    Assaulting a police officer
    In 2010, Robinson was charged with assaulting a police officer during clashes at a poppy burning protest. After the fighting, a police officer was taken to hospital after trying to intervene in a 50 man brawl.

    Rooftop protest
    In 2011, Robinson and EDL co-founder Kevin Carroll flew to Zurich to protest on the roof of a FIFA building that England were not allowed to wear poppies on their kit because of FIFA’s political symbol ban. They were fined £3,000 for their troubles.

    Assault at his own rally
    In 2011, Robinson was convicted of assault for an attack at an EDL march in Blackburn. After he was goaded for being a government and police informant Robinson launched into a verbal tirade against those protesting against him. Robinson then proceeded to headbutt one of the march goers.

    Luton football riot
    In July 2011, Robinson was found guilty of leading a brawl that included 100 Luton Town football fans into a fight with Newport County fans. Fans were heard chanting ‘EDL till I die.’ For the crime committed, he was given a suspended 12-month prison sentence and banned from Luton football matches for 3 years.

    Using someone else’s passport
    In January 2013 Robinson was jailed for 10 months for travelling to the USA on his friend’s passport. Robinson admitted the charge of possession of a false identity document with improper intention. The passport Robinson used was under the name of Andrew McMaster. He checked himself in on the way out from Heathrow airport however when he arrived in the USA customs officials took his fingerprints and realised he was using a passport that was not his own.

    Mortgage fraud
    In 2014, Tommy Robinson was sentenced to prison for 18 months for committing mortgage fraud with the crime dating back to 2009. After pleading guilty in November 2013 to committing £160,000 worth of mortgage fraud Robinson was sentenced at St Albans Crown Court.

    He has also been involved in numerous fights and brawls that have not been prosecuted.
     
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  7. Jude Fawley

    Jude Fawley Star commenter

    I've come across some of these before. Passport and mortgage fraud doesn't show him to be violent. The 2005 assault seems to be related to resisting arrest. It seems he goes quietly now as per the charity march.

    There's no suggestion of violence at the rooftop protest. Possibly similar to the arrests at Extinction Rebellion.
    In Blackburn in 2011 it looks like he was in a fight with the EDL after he'd left. Maybe that was around the time he joined the counter extremism Quilliam Foundation.

    One thing is for sure he's very hot headed and has form for violence but no convictions I know of for racism.

    Even so, there is no excuse for violence unless of course the police don't act on a report of assault and the media applaud it.

    There have been countless brawls and fights he's been involved in. The racecourse one and these with Antifa.



    Maybe he would be better suited to quiet studio politics. I doubt he'll be successful in his MEP campaign but if he was he could be invited in from the cold by the BBC!

    This is why I think he will eventually come unstuck. He certainly is quick to get into a fight. I suppose street politics is like that.
     
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  8. Ivartheboneless

    Ivartheboneless Star commenter

    You have had your questions answered, but still seem to want to support him. Thats up to you, but you cannot deny the "evidence". There is no excuse for violence, and there is too much of it. He is a thug and a criminal, plain and simple.
     
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  9. Jude Fawley

    Jude Fawley Star commenter

    I'm not supporting him at all. The reason I'm interested is that he lives not far from here and my neighbour has known him since he was a kid. My neighbour who grew up in Luton thinks 'Tommy Robinson' is bad news. I'm also interested in this idea that he is described as 'right wing'.

    But considering some members of Antifa he isn't anything like those thugs. He doesn't hide his face or carry weapons as those Antifa thugs do.

    One thing I'm sure of is that Antifa and it's association Hope Not Hate have some very dangerous and violent people as members. They are sometimes described as left wing but people who wear balaclavas and carry weapons and won't engage in debate are fascists in my book.

    I'm not a flag waver and I don't go to any kind of demonstrations or marches. If I did happen to be in town and came across any kind of demonstration I would give it a wide berth. If I knew there was any kind of march or demonstration on I'd just not go into town. Even football matches put me off going into town.

    So I'm not supporting anyone but if I was forced to choose as a good socialist, ironically I'd say I'd rather have to deal with 'Tommy Robinson' than Antifa. There's a big difference between a man with a loud hailer and a gang in balaclavas with weapons.

    It used to be that the left were good socialist and I'm sure the majority still are but this Antifa element is violent and not open to debate.

    They've basically tried to hijack the working class socialist agenda but can't hack it and turn to violence.

    One thing I think is for sure. The only way to defeat 'Tommy Robinson' is via debate. Trying to close him down with violence and the police turning a blind eye to him being attacked will only make people support him more.
     
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  10. artboyusa

    artboyusa Lead commenter

    "If you were assaulted and the police witness it wouldn't you expect them to be arrested?"
    Well, the judicial response does seem to depend on who is assaulted by whom.
    Jeremy Corbyn egging: Brexiteer jailed for 28 days
    A Brexit supporter who egged Jeremy Corbyn while yelling "respect the vote" has been jailed for 28 days.
    John Murphy, 31, admitted attacking the Labour leader with an egg following the MP's visit to a mosque in his Islington North constituency on 3 March.
    Mr Corbyn was "shocked and surprised" by the attack, which prompted his team to increase his security, Westminster Magistrates' Court heard.
    Magistrates said Murphy had attacked "our democratic process"...
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-47691606
    Man admits egg attack on Farage
    A man has admitted egging UK Independence Party leader Nigel Farage during a campaign visit.
    Frederick Glenister pleaded guilty to a charge of common assault at Nottingham Magistrates' Court...
    Glenister was handed a 12-month conditional discharge. He was also ordered to pay a total of £200 in costs, including £100 compensation to the victim...
    http://home.bt.com/news/uk-news/man-admits-egg-attack-on-farage-11363904306634
     
  11. George_Randle

    George_Randle Occasional commenter

    I think this is a pretty fair comment about TR and I can understand why you think this - his every single Muslim speech at an EDL rally was his worst moment. His comments on Islam and Muslims have at times been contradictory to say the least. I like to think that his speech to the Oxford Union shows him in a better light, and it is the speech which made me change my mind about him. I think you would have to look at this speech with a pretty powerful magnifying glass before finding anti-Muslim bigotry in it, and I do think he has some legitimate concerns here:



    There's no way I'm going to defend everything that Robinson has said or done, but I will defend him from the ridiculous charge that he is a Nazi or a Fascist. I know that some posters will think that by posting this link I am enabling fascism or facilitating hatred, but milk-shaking the messenger will not make some of his concerns go away. At 17:12 he says what I found terrified me and I can relate to this, for what I found in my own reading about Islamism terrified me too.

    Look at some of the responses people have had on this thread for giving a balanced picture of Robinson: it is as if the very act of recognising the fact that TR is a complex individual with a mixture of admirable and ugly qualities is enough to bring forth the secular version of the question do you renounce the devil and all his works?
     
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  12. Vince_Ulam

    Vince_Ulam Star commenter

    At 1:39 he says "I was visited four days ago by Probation, and I was warned about my license. I'm on early release from custody, so I'm on a license, and certain things I was going to say would result in me getting recalled back to prison."

    How did you see this person before that the above 'shows him in a better light'?
     
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  13. xmal

    xmal Occasional commenter

    I'm going to take this at face value and assume that you're not a wind-up merchant. Fascism is the totality of the state and the removal of individual rights. The Fasci, where the word comes from, were socialist. The communist regimes were of course fascist and left wing. Perhaps you could read Liberal Fascism by Goldberg or Not in My Name by Chas Newkey-Burden and Julie Burchill. Facism per se is not specifically right or left wing. It is merely a mechanism to rule without challenge
     
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  14. Scintillant

    Scintillant Star commenter

    Yes. If you assaulted the Prime Minister you'd probably be dealt with more severely than if you assaulted most other people. Corbyn is the Leader of the Opposition and a very high profile politician. Rightly or wrongly, I would think that is the reason for the severity of the sentence.

    Regarding the Milky Bar Kid incident where the milkshakes were all on Tommy...

    “They came running after me. At that point I was scared for my life. I knew that I was going to get beaten. He said I’d assaulted a woman, which wasn’t true. He said that I was aggressive and I couldn’t do **** so I just threw the milkshake in his face.”

    Robinson's contingent put two people in hospital and broke someone's nose.

    Yeah, but he has some good points too. Apparently. According to some.

    Seriously. Have a word.
     
  15. Jude Fawley

    Jude Fawley Star commenter

  16. Ivartheboneless

    Ivartheboneless Star commenter

    Its very kind of you, but I do not agree. No so-called "communist" regime has ever actually been so, only in name only. Stalin was a fascist, and probably (controversial) a worse one than Hitler. Fascism can never be "socialist" simply because of the way it works, and it certainly is not liberal. Playing with words. You did not have to mention "wind up merchant" I am insulted by that. Perhaps you are one?
     
  17. lanokia

    lanokia Star commenter

    How about you stop playing the ''I'm offended card'' Ivar...
     
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  18. Ivartheboneless

    Ivartheboneless Star commenter

    No. It plays into the hands of trolls and lets them get away with it. (I am not saying the poster above is a troll)
     
  19. NoseyMatronType

    NoseyMatronType Lead commenter

    @George_Randle

    Thanks for the link.

    I'm going to have to put off watching the Oxford Union address for now, though. I have GCSE and A Level students about to go on Study Leave so I'm inundated.

    Apparently, there was a new incident with a 16 year old and a milk shake over the weekend involving one of Robinson's associates.

    https://twitter.com/FckMeAlexTurner/status/1124469720529473536

    Robinson reminds me a bit of another misunderstood philosopher-thug who has also recently been in bother. This story sets the record straight on his latest altercation.

    https://newsthump.com/2019/04/15/jo...ager-clash-over-kants-categorical-imperative/
     
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  20. jubilee

    jubilee Star commenter

    Yaxley- Lennon's misdemeanours are not just youthful escapades. He has served time for assault (and can only stand for election because his sentence was below the cut-off point barring it). He entered the USA fraudulently on someone else's passport and did a runner through security when he was detained. He then returned to the UK using a passport of his own under another alias.
    He was convicted of mortgage fraud.
    He was acting aggressively with a female companion in public and someone had to intervene to protect her.

    He was waiting his moment to attack the asian guy in the video clip. He had challenged the young man earlier, with false statements about 80% of grooming gangs being Asian. The young man then went for an interview, bought a milkshake and was waylaid by Tommy Robinson/Yaxley-Lennon again. The split second that the milkshake was thrown, after the provocations and insults, 'Robinson' launched his violent assault that left the young man with scratches and bruises. I wouldn't call being doused with milkshake violent or injurious.
     
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