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Would you all just stop with your lefty tendencies

Discussion in 'Education news' started by aypi, Oct 5, 2020.

  1. aypi

    aypi Senior commenter

  2. costermonger

    costermonger Occasional commenter

    Well, in between sonorous readings from Das Kapital, hate minute (when we boo the tories as a class), lectures on the evils of capitalism and the pledge of allegiance to Lenin, I am quite busy. Maybe we'll form a school collective to investigate how and if there is any political bias.
    Williamson really is a &*%$ing idiot.
  3. Jonntyboy

    Jonntyboy Lead commenter

    More hilarious anti-Tory propaganda from the Guardian.

    But even I was astounded at the brass-faced hypocrisy of the following:

    "Geoff Barton, the general secretary of the Association of School and College Leaders, said Williamson’s comments were aimed at appealing to the party faithful, rather than focusing on the immediate priorities of keeping schools and colleges open..."

    And yet every time the Government talked about wanting to open schools all the Unions and lefty teachers wailed their opposition and now that most schools are open, said Unions and lefty teachers do their best to scaremonger and get them closed again.

    An object lesson in hypocrisy if ever there was one!
  4. aypi

    aypi Senior commenter

    The best source that I can find for anti-tory propaganda is their press office.
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  5. aypi

    aypi Senior commenter

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  6. thyr

    thyr Occasional commenter

    Lefty tendencies?
    Is there such a thing as righty tendencies?
    Or centery tendencies?
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  7. alex_teccy

    alex_teccy Star commenter

    Critical pedagogy is a part of Black History Month, with 90% of resources downloaded containing ideological phrases directly related to critical race theory, for example.
    Critical theory, an antithesis if critical thinking, is a popular doctrine amongst educational leaders, with academics at UCL writing:

    “Whilst there have been debates about the need for teachers not to be political, this is an impossible demand because refraining from taking a political stance is itself a political act. But this is perhaps the most challenging and controversial aspect of teachers as agents of change. There is considerable evidence to show that teachers are often reluctant to engage in what could be termed ‘controversial’ or politicalissues (Holden, 2007).

    https://discovery.ucl.ac.uk/id/eprint/1475774/1/5. Bourn_Teachers as agents[1].pdf“

    It’s also Marxist in origins and theory.
  8. BillyBobJoe

    BillyBobJoe Lead commenter

    They're not wrong about the logical contradictions of being apolitical.
  9. bessiesmith2

    bessiesmith2 New commenter

    I assumed it was a reference to left-handedness before I read the post...
  10. bessiesmith2

    bessiesmith2 New commenter

    Yes - I'm imagining being a teacher at a girls' school around 1910 and wondering how I would have addressed a question or comment about women's suffrage.
  11. alex_teccy

    alex_teccy Star commenter

    Yes they are.
  12. alex_teccy

    alex_teccy Star commenter

    That’s not what critical pedagogy understands by being political. They mean absolutely everything you say or dois political. Neither does it mean presenting a balanced view to students.
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  13. BillyBobJoe

    BillyBobJoe Lead commenter

    What a compelling argument!
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  14. Delerium

    Delerium New commenter

    Please explain.
  15. BillyBobJoe

    BillyBobJoe Lead commenter

    What you stay silent about can send as much of a message as what you say. Were teachers in segregated schools in the US only political if they advocated integration? No, accepting the racist status quo was also a political act. Same with Section 28. If teachers stayed quiet and accepted homophobia, that was just as much a political act as challenging it.
  16. alex_teccy

    alex_teccy Star commenter

    No, because you are making assumptions about the values of teachers and schools. Critical pedagogy assumes that schools perpetuate inequality, and you do the same in the example that you gave.
    In fact, quite the reverse is true, schools promote social mobility and equality. To continue your example;
    The first African-American men to attend university were determined to do so even under conditions of continued segregation because they understood that education and skills acquired through learning would promote their social-mobility. 59bc4bc10d22a.image.jpg
    George W. McLaurin

    Similarly, Ruby Bridges the 6 year old who needed a guard to attend school, did so because her family realized the importance and value of schooling.
    And because of this fundamental misunderstanding, there's every indication that efforts to introduce critical-pedagogy have the reverse effect on social-mobility, because the learning of skills are displaced. In the example that Freya Laidlow-Petersen gives in this video, the A' Level question "was Shakespeare a misogynist?" displaces learning about critical appreciation of literature. Excluding certain scientists and learning because of the stupid assumption they perpetuate modern inequalities, denies students powerful tools and knowledge.

    This is the point Thomas Sowell was making when he said that skills are the most powerful way to increase social mobility, even under conditions of discrimination, such as European Jews faced.
  17. englishtt06

    englishtt06 Occasional commenter

    I love that an extremely privileged white girl (Freya Double-Barrell - writer for the Spectator and privately educated at a well-reputed school, Dover College) takes the time to tell us why we should maintain the status quo! Well..... duh.

    As an English teacher, the absurdity of the Shakespeare question is amusing (I've never seen nor heard it phrased as such - Shakepeare's texts can be a gateway to discussions of contextual gender issues but I've never known anyone accuse him of being a misogynist!). She's not a teacher, she's a student, for one thing. But then what would I know? An English teacher of almost twenty years in a range of state-schools (including inner city).

    The thing that always amuses me about these arguments about 'wokeness' is that posters like Alex_teccy always use the most random, lurid links to support their claims: stuff very few in pedagogy have heard of, let alone engage with. I would never classify the Spectator as a reliable source of information by any measure (just anticipating a rebuttal here: I also feel similar about the Guardian). The idea that education is not political is ludicrous. The curriculum is politicised (Gove's far-reaching and damaging reforms being the most recent example of this). Teachers are political. They chose a profession to help young people, a profession which is not lucrative and, in most cases, is undervalued in society at large. The type of people who know this but still become teachers are of a political type - how could they not be? Just to be clear, not everyone: I've known of a few Tories in the staffroom, but by and large most teachers tend to be of a socialist-bent just by virtue of them being in an inner-city comprehensive at all. If they weren't political before, the realities of working in severely deprived communities will wake them up to the realities of inequality double quick.

    In a nutshell: teaching kids who are literally wearing clothes which are falling apart, haven't had breakfast, and have no coat in winter makes you political pretty damned fast (yes, sadly I am talking from personal experience: and not just one or two kids - hundreds).
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  18. bessiesmith2

    bessiesmith2 New commenter

    Eh? Gavin Williamson says I must always be politically neutral. I am suggesting, indirectly to him, that there are times when I think it is reasonable to express an opinion on the hot topic of the day. Your interpretation is that Williamson is fine with this so long as not everything I say or do is political? In which case I misunderstood the Ed. Sec. and we're all OK - I do usually manage to teach a bit of my subject content as part of the lesson....
  19. ParakeetGreen

    ParakeetGreen New commenter

    Schools primary role is Socialization > Learning hence sociological creeds will inevitably dominate.

    Eg Social Contract between people and state for tax and free education to name one example.

    Bear in mind mixing objectives will inevitably lower the quality of outcome of both objectives.
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