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Working class white boys suffer the worst start in life among all ethnic groups according to EHRC

Discussion in 'Personal' started by Memphismojo, Oct 31, 2015.

  1. Memphismojo

    Memphismojo Established commenter

    A new report from the Equality & Human Rights Commission has found that white working class boys have the toughest start in life than any other ethnic group. “life on many fronts has got worse as the country becomes more ethnically and religiously diverse than at any point in its history”, says the report.

    It reveals that white working class boys continue to fall behind every other ethnic group at school with their chances of a successful career diminishing as a result. Chinese and Indian ethnicities continue to perform better at school and have the hugest proportion of students entering higher education, while the biggest improvements in education and employment are seen in Pakistani and Bangladeshi ethnicities.

    The report adds “Poor White boys in particular suffer a combination of disadvantage. Being poor now has a far more negative impact on the education of White children than it does for any other ethnic group. Poor White boys suffer higher rates of exclusion from school and achieve the lowest academic results – making them less likely to enter higher education and therefore more likely to end up in lower-paid, insecure jobs.

    The report can be seen here
     
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  2. Memphismojo

    Memphismojo Established commenter

    Kinda goes against the grain of the Social Justice Warrior narrative. Where is an SJW when you need one?
     
  3. Orkrider2

    Orkrider2 Star commenter

    What would the SJW narrative on this issue be?
     
  4. Memphismojo

    Memphismojo Established commenter

    So what do you think of the report?
     
  5. yfel_endwerce

    yfel_endwerce Established commenter

    He's almost directly quoting the Breitbart article on this area

    I've only just finished Chapter 4 of the full report (not the headlines) and the conclusions are generally positive with higher attainment levels all round.
    Those eligible for FSM lag behind other groups (even though levels have improved for them) as the improvements across the board haven't yet resulted in significant changes in the areas of difference. And yes white boys in the FSM group are the second least improved grove in relative terms.
    As yet I have seen reasoning or explanation for this fact (these may be in the 2nd document they have produced - the action plan) but as say I haven't yet even finished this document.

    I think this one will be subject to a lot of analysis (I expect something in Education news next week) and there is a fair bit of information to process/think about
     
  6. Orkrider2

    Orkrider2 Star commenter

    I haven't read it yet.
    But I found it interesting that your take away from the report was that it would provide statistics that you could use to score political points against so called SJWs. However, as at this point the debate with SJWs is still in your head, I was wondering what narrative you'd assigned to them.
     
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  7. yfel_endwerce

    yfel_endwerce Established commenter

    And that is actually inaccurate
    The ethnic group with the lowest attainment (and other areas) scores are Travellers
    "Gypsy and Traveller pupils continued
    to have the lowest educational
    attainment rates."
     
  8. xena-warrior

    xena-warrior Star commenter

    It doesn't offer any opinions as to why the various ethnicities' performance and outcomes differ. Let me lob one in: father at home?
     
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  9. Burndenpark

    Burndenpark Star commenter

    But, but , but ...
    If that was the case then the problem would be due to the parentS.

    I wonder how Mem would solve that?
    Maybe he feels that Social Justice Warriors should argue to make contraception compulsory outside marriage?
     
  10. Orkrider2

    Orkrider2 Star commenter

    House of Commons Education Committee has suggested 3 reasons:
    1) lack of aspiration/expectation generated at home, or poor parenting skills
    2) Schools in poorer areas being worse
    3) Those new to the country are more likely to see education as a route out of poverty.

    I don't know personally. I did work in a school in a very deprived area that had a lot of community issues, but there wasn't a single white kid at that school when I was there, so I can't speculate as to the reasons affecting white boys in particular. However, what did seem to be a common attitude among the working-class kids was that further education and professional careers were not an option because to them, making money as soon as possible (by whatever means, legal or not) was more of a priority than thinking about the long term future. Uni costs a lot and delays earning for 3 or 4 years and then you just have a load of debt, seemed to be a common opinion. Why bother at school when I can do 'jobs' for my mate on the estate and earn a bunch of cash in hand and buy a nice phone next week, was another, much less common reason, but one that did occasionally surface. These were 10 and 11 year olds btw.
    Another thought would be the fact that the white, male demographic is one that's traditionally thought of as well represented in most areas of society, particularly powerful positions. There have been so many schemes to encourage women and BME groups to 'lean in' and start making opportunities for themselves to catch up with the white male demographic, that perhaps it's been overlooked that other factors, not just race or gender, were playing a part in the apparent lack of representation of those groups. Poverty being the obvious one - you've only got to look at parliament to see that while it is mostly made up of white men, it's predominantly those that are not from a working-class background. As things have started to improve for the working class girls and BME kids, the working class boys haven't had the same encouragement or opportunity which has led to them being left behind.
    It's definitely something that needs looking into and I do hope there'll be some studies done which can come up with some concrete reasons so that the issue can be addressed.
     
  11. Orkrider2

    Orkrider2 Star commenter

    I'm guessing that this is because of the highly insular nature of those communities and the tendency to be less attached to a single area, which means that future prospects rely more heavily on community connections and nepotism than academic achievement. That would explain why education is not seen as a priority for those pupils.
    I don't know if that's anything to do with why working-class boys are underachieving compared to their peers, but again I think it's something interesting that should be looked into.
     
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  12. yfel_endwerce

    yfel_endwerce Established commenter

    I'm also concerned by the relative fall/loss of ground in attainment amongst what the report describes as SEN/ASN students.
     
  13. Orkrider2

    Orkrider2 Star commenter

    I agree. Is it something to do with ineffective/inappropriate use of support staff? Lack of funding for specialist teachers/TAs? Over-reliance on tick-boxing solutions like generic intervention groups for struggling kids? Emphasis on tracking and data meaning that SEN/ASN kids get overlooked/ignored/someone else's problem? I know what conclusions I'm likely to jump to, but that could easily be my own experience and not really indicative of wider practice within schools generally.
     
  14. yfel_endwerce

    yfel_endwerce Established commenter

    That is where this report fails. >
    The data is there showing what is happening but there is no real attempt to explain why things are happening.

    I suppose that will be the next step for the various organisations

    > which is a pity because the collated data provides some useful information
     
  15. Scintillant

    Scintillant Star commenter

    What do you think?
     
  16. Orkrider2

    Orkrider2 Star commenter

    It'd definitely be something interesting to look into. There are so many possible factors that could be influencing it that I'm not really sure how you'd go about coming up with an all-round conclusion though.
    I wonder what the breakdown of statistics by location would be, i.e. is it a particular problem in areas with very multi-cultural communities, or something that mainly affects the working classes in areas with a mainly white-British population or do the demographics of area make little difference to the attainment of white working-class populations? Is there a difference in attainment between working classes in urban opposed to rural populations? It'd be interesting to see if there were any areas which buck the trend, and compare the outliers on both ends of the stats to see what the differences are in schooling/community are.
     
  17. dumpty

    dumpty Star commenter

    Well it might be time - this has been known for the last 10-15 years at least.
     
  18. emerald52

    emerald52 Star commenter

    It's long been known that white working class areas such as depressed seaside towns suffer from poor attainment and aspiration. These are communities who do not see education as a route out of poverty.
     
  19. Memphismojo

    Memphismojo Established commenter

    The general narrative that a SJW always fights social injustice wherever it's found.
     
  20. Memphismojo

    Memphismojo Established commenter

    So if someone has a similar view to a headline they must be quoting it? I didn't know that.

    What do you mean by relative terms?
     

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