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Workers' Rights etc Post-Brexit

Discussion in 'Personal' started by MAGAorMIGA, Nov 19, 2018.

  1. needabreak

    needabreak Star commenter

    There are also issues with flame retardent's used on fabrics...
     
  2. racroesus

    racroesus Star commenter

    BBC 1 or 2 or 4? It was vet good and should make it to catch-up.
     
  3. racroesus

    racroesus Star commenter

    3M Scotchguard was mentioned but they stopped using C8 much to DuPont's delight.
     
  4. racroesus

    racroesus Star commenter

  5. Photo51

    Photo51 Established commenter

    After the 2027 election maybe.
     
  6. Mrsmumbles

    Mrsmumbles Star commenter

    Oh you can just imagine the capability procedures they will be coming up with soon! Schools are already riddled with ageism, nepotism, bullying and dodgy hiring and firing practices.
     
  7. oldsomeman

    oldsomeman Star commenter

    Again I hear the sound of protest based upon fear of the unknown.
    Yes, some of the things you mention might just happen. On the flip side, they might just not. You read too much into the signs I think. Maybe we need to examine some entrails for signs of the future or indeed find a glass ball reader.
    One hopes it's not a bad as you are all crying about, but at least you have the chance to throw out that party in an election. If you stay in the EU you might never get rid of them ever!
     
  8. Burndenpark

    Burndenpark Star commenter

    The NHS would be as safe as a pet hamster in the presence of a hungry python if Boris Johnson, Michael Gove and Iain Duncan Smith rose to power following Brexit, Sir John Major has said.

    In an extraordinary attack on his fellow Conservatives, Major produced a withering assessment of leading members of Vote Leave, calling their campaign deceitful, untrue, depressing, awful and “verging on the squalid”.

    The former prime minister insisted his intervention was not a personal slight against Johnson or Gove, but a more general criticism of the leave campaign’s shift to the right on immigration and claims that they would protect the
    NHS
    However, he went on to claim Gove had wanted to privatise the NHS, Johnson wished to charge people for health services and Duncan Smith advocated moving to a social insurance system.

    “The NHS is about as safe with them as a pet hamster would be with a hungry python,” Major said on BBC1’s The Andrew Marr Show.




    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/05/john-major-nhs-risk-brexit-pythons-johnson-and-gove

    Hope you have decent health insurance Olds
     
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  9. schoolsout4summer

    schoolsout4summer Star commenter

    The NHS is in grave danger, as was/is state Education.
    I believe Great Britain, as we know it, is also in grave danger
    Lying, greedy, selfish Tories.
     
  10. florian gassmann

    florian gassmann Star commenter

    I wonder how a backbench MP deregulates? o_O
     
  11. lexus300

    lexus300 Star commenter

    How joining the EU led to a big decline in UK industry
    By JOHNREDWOOD | Published: JUNE 16, 2016
    There are also crucial issues to understand about how the asymmetric single market did damage to Uk industry. When we joined the EEC, now the EU, in 1973, more barriers to trade had been pulled down in manufacturing than in services. EU rules were often such that UK industry was badly damaged by the shock of joining and the continued shock of staying in as the rules increased and tightened.

    When the UK joined the EU we had a 45 million tonnes a year steel industry. Today we are battling to save an 11 million tonnes industry.

    When we joined the EU we had a 400,000 tonnes a year aluminium industry. Today we have just 43,000 tonnes of capacity left.

    When we joined the EU we had 20 million tonnes of cement capacity. Today we have 12 million tonnes.

    Just before we joined the EEC in 1971 we had a 1 million tonnes a year fishing industry. Today we have 600,000 tonnes.

    The October 2013 government “Future of Manufacturing” Report shows that between 1951 and 1973 metals output rose 3% a year. Since joining the EEC/EU it has declined by more than 6%

    Between 1951 and 1973 food and drink output rose by 5.6% per year. Since joining the EEC/EU it has fallen by 1% a year.

    Between 1951 and 1973 textiles output expanded at 2.6% a year. Since joining the EEC/EU it has fallen by more than 6% a year.

    Whilst it may not be fair to blame all this decline on membership of the EU, as there are other factors, it nonetheless shows categorically that joining the EU and helping create the so called single market has not helped us grow and has not saved many of our industries from decline.

    In some cases EU policies are the main driver of the disaster. The Common Fishing Policy is clearly the main reason for the dreadful decline of our fishing industry, as many foreign vessels were licenced to take our fish. Our energy intensive businesses were often damaged by the high energy prices required by the EU common energy policy.

    The EU has prevented UK subsidy of industry under its state aids rules, but has often provided subsidised loans and grants to businesses to set up elsewhere in the EU. The UK has seen a spate of factory closures balanced by new and expanded facilities in poorer EU countries. The UK lost van production to Turkey, car capacity to Slovakia, chocolate to Poland, domestic appliances to the Netherlands and the Czech Republic and metal containers to Poland amongst others in recent years. In various cases there was an EU grant or loan involved in the new capacity.

    Looking at our huge balance of payments deficit today in goods with the rest of the EU, we can see the long term impact of the EU’s damage to our manufacturing capacity.
     
  12. oldsomeman

    oldsomeman Star commenter

    I am glad not all folks share your opinion. One might ask if you have considered things are of a necessity not out of pure greed? Especially as the income they get helps to pay for your services.
    You might also consider the NHS is in danger because too much is asked of its services, If you look at the history of its beginning it was cobbled together from amalgam of services by the then Labour government,Since then it has grown in a huge undertaking,,,see folks from birth to the grave.The original intent was to make folks fit and was believed that the damand on its services would diminish as the 'sick ' were dealt with. Today its a huge organisation and with huge manpower and maxhinery costs. It is not suprising its always under threat in the form of cost cutting and economies of scale.
    Despite this it is still one of the best services in the world despite all the so called failures.It does have many needs that need adressing,notleast i recuitment of staff. Some of that is home goals scored by goverments such as demanding a different way in to nursing by requiring degrees unlike before, others are due to poor wages by possible employees, as is one of the problems with teaching.
    I am not sure the Government of the day would dismantle all this organisation, although they might seek economies of scale in purchasing and the places which provide services.
     
    Last edited: Nov 20, 2018
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  13. lexus300

    lexus300 Star commenter

    If the Chequers proposal is ratified then democracy is dead and buried in the UK. It will no longer matter who you vote for.
     
  14. needabreak

    needabreak Star commenter

    There seems to be widespread misinterpretation of the difference between free trade in a single market and "Wealth of Nations", Smith's global free trade goal complete with co-operation in terms of competative advantage and it's potential benefits/drawbacks... we could be concerned about the short term effects *positive or negative, of Brexit (of which there will likely be both), without fully analysing the longer term positive and possibly negative effects in relation to global free trade *which of course remains the goal of the WTO.

    Upshot? Are we all concerned over a short term storm in an EU teacup without considering the global cuppa?
     
  15. sparkleghirl

    sparkleghirl Star commenter

    We will yearn for the days when we had democracy within the EU.
     
  16. FrankWolley

    FrankWolley Star commenter


    John Redwood, now there's an unbiased source...NOT. Who will you quote next? Boris Johnson?;)
     
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  17. Photo51

    Photo51 Established commenter

    That will be a big change. Only 36% of the UK electorate could be bothered with that the last time.
     
  18. lexus300

    lexus300 Star commenter

    Yes indeed, all those unelected rule makers:rolleyes:
     
  19. lexus300

    lexus300 Star commenter

    Yes, many are.
     
  20. racroesus

    racroesus Star commenter

    The same argument was used against staying: we were told how bad the future was going to be if we remained. The thing is that we were in something we understood.
    Luckily, lexus will get back workers protections when we leave: the evil genii will quickly give us closed shops and demarcation again.
     

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