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Worked outside education before? You're at a disadvantage.

Discussion in 'Jobseekers' started by jimmegee, Feb 10, 2011.

  1. jimmegee

    jimmegee New commenter

    I'm sorry to sound bitter and twisted but I just got a rejection from a school that was looking for an MFL teacher because (and I quote) "all the candidates interviewed had French and Spanish honours degrees". After 15 years working in the languages industry, I decided to do a GTP and bring some of my real-world experience to language learners but this sort of attitude makes me think that if you've worked outside education before, you're at a disadvantage when looking for a teaching job. Fact. Heads of faculty still prefer to take on teachers who have spent their entire lives embibed in education rather than bring in fresh blood from industry. I may end up eating my words but it's a depressing trend I'm slowly becoming aware of. Anyone else had this experience?
  2. Lara mfl 05

    Lara mfl 05 Star commenter

    Actually I find the opposite. I've met many colleagues who've had other jobs before who bring so much more experience to the profession.
    Have you been refused GTP? Or a job? Teaching, & especially MFL is heavily oversubscribed at present (despite what adverts & people tell you), so that may be a factor.
    You don't say which languages you have qualifications in but my 'main' is German & I know there's virtually no demand for it nationally let alone locally in my rural area.So a candidate able to offer 2 langauges or even Mandarin/ Japanese is more likely to gain a job today.
    Also remember what is said at feedback is mainly something to say rather than a genuine reason.
  3. TheoGriff

    TheoGriff Star commenter

    I'm sorry that you are feeling so frustrated and disappointed. Always tough when you don't get a job. Bitter and twisted is allowed, I think, for at least ten minutes!
    Lara makes some pretty good points about late entrants, about an over-supply of language teachers, and also about feedback. Usually not worth the air that it's breathed on. So don't take that to heart too much, ever.
    But actually, the feedback that you got wasn't that you failed to make the shortlist because you had additional, non-education, experience.
    You were not shortlisted because you didn't meet their criterion of having a degree in languages.
    Simple as that.
    Degree in a relevant subject is a pretty standard item on the person spec of a great many schools, so you will have fallen at the first hurdle if this was the case here, I'm afraid.
    Do read carefully the advice in the shortlisting clickables inside the Welcome thread. Put special thought into how you can present positively, from the very beginning of your application, your strengths and skills.
    If they are wow-ed enough by your application, they might overlook the lack of a relevant degree.
    I wish you the best of luck with your next application.
    TheoGriff. Member of the TES Careers Advice Service.
    The TES Careers Advice service runs seminars and workshops, one-to-one careers and applications advice, one-to-one interview coaching and an application review service.
    I do Application and Interview one-to-ones, and also contribute to the Job Application Workshops. We look at application letters, executive summaries and interviews.
    The next Workshops I'm doing that still have vacancies are on Sunday 13th and Friday 25th February. There is also a specialist Workshop for applications to SLT on Saturday February 19th.
    Go to https://www.tes.co.uk/article.aspx?storyCode=6060678 for more details of these and other seminars.
    Look forward to seeing you!
  4. skeptucator

    skeptucator Occasional commenter

    I am a fairly young teacher having entered the profession straight from university. I have since lost out on 3 interviews due to another candidate having 'more industry experience', even though they had less teaching experience.
    I would say it depends on the dynamic of the department as a whole. If the school have lots of industry experienced teachers already they may not mind so much. If they have very little they may be looking to find someone with this quality of experience to add to the department.

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