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Wonderful English folk songs dying through lack of the will to keep them alive

Discussion in 'Personal' started by nizebaby, Aug 11, 2020.

  1. nizebaby

    nizebaby Star commenter

    To me, this is a tragedy. I think of wonderful melodies that are now only kept alive by a few folkies - High Germany and The Cutty Wren spring to mind, along with many others.
  2. nizebaby

    nizebaby Star commenter

    I said melodies. The old ballads tell wonderful stories too.
  3. nomad

    nomad Star commenter

    Shades of the good old BBC "Singing Together" radio broadcasts!

  4. florian gassmann

    florian gassmann Star commenter

    I always liked those songs about the squire's lady running off with the gypsy Davey-O. But they went under the "lessons must be relevant to today" movement:

    Oh where are you going? said Milder to Moulder
    Oh we may not tell you! said Festel to Fose
    We're off to the wood! said John the Red Nose​
  5. Dunteachin

    Dunteachin Star commenter

    I remember a couple of snatches from such songs at Primary school:

    "With your musket, pipe and drum"

    "Oh, no, John, no, John, no-oh, John, nooo!" (She could not marry him, for she had no shoes to put on)
  6. lindenlea

    lindenlea Star commenter

    On our Desert Island Discs party (See Spotify- Birthday on a Desert Island) we had Will you go lassie go, The road to Dundee, and Linden Lea so we're trying @nizebaby. Eight people, 24 tracks, 3 of them folk songs, 3 of them Rod Stewart numbers - great!
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  8. Jolly_Roger15

    Jolly_Roger15 Star commenter

    At primary school, a loudspeaker would be wheeled into the classroom, and we listened to a BBC Schools singing and music programme, which, I think, was called something like 'Time and Tune'. Also wheeled in was the 'music trolley', and we were handed out glockenspiels, wood blocks, and the like.
  9. TCSC47

    TCSC47 Star commenter

    Just reminded me of a seminal moment affecting my opinions of teachers. Back when I was 10 we had a music teacher who would play a song on a record player which we would sing along with. Then he would lift the needle and keep us singing. He would then put the needle back down and berate us for not being in time with the song!!

    A-hole! Did he think that we did not understand how record players worked!? I can remember being so disappointed in him. Did all teachers cheat like that?
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  10. peakster

    peakster Star commenter

    The Cambridge Folk Festival was cancelled (like everything else) - it's normally one of the highlights of my year.
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  11. TCSC47

    TCSC47 Star commenter

    Possibly not the folk music the OP was thinking of, but Mrs TCSC and myself are disappointed at having to miss Cropredy this year. Park up the caravan on site and enjoy the most eclectic range of music over three days with one of the best feel good atmospheres.
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  12. TCSC47

    TCSC47 Star commenter

    Maybe this is what has in part happened to the folk songs and music of the people that we used to sing and play when we were young. Everything is so much more intense with high energy supported by the use of technology.

    Like the hot curries and chillies that our taste buds are used to nowadays.

  13. Morninglover

    Morninglover Star commenter

  14. Aquamarina1234

    Aquamarina1234 Star commenter

    You couldn't get away with a lot of the songs now. Any reference to travellers as gypsies, or any connection to theft would be banned. And how would The Drummer And The Cook weigh in with Disability Sensibility?
    "There was a little drummer and he loved a one-eyed cook.
    Oh he loved her, oh he loved her, though she had a c.ock-eyed look.
    With one eye on the pot and t'other up the chimney
    With a bow wow wow, fal lal a dow a diddy, bow wow wow."
    They don't write 'em like that anymore.
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  15. Aquamarina1234

    Aquamarina1234 Star commenter

    No, it was he who could not marry her because he had no clothes to put on. So off she went to her grandfather's chest and brought him a [ ] of the very very best. When he had all the the clothes, he said he still couldn't marry her because he was already married, and jiggered off.
  16. George_Randle

    George_Randle Established commenter

    Back in the mists of the last millennium I saw Joan Baez, Taj Mahal and Chas n' Dave there.
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  17. Aquamarina1234

    Aquamarina1234 Star commenter

    I remember the second one, dunty.
    "On yonder hill there stands a creature
    Who she is I do not know
    I'll go court her for her beauty
    She must answer yes or no.
    Oh no John no John no John no John no!"

    Dashing away with the smoothing iron, she stole my heart away.

    When I was bound apprentice in famous Lincolnshire
    Full well I served my master for more than seven year
    Till I took up to poaching, as you shall quickly hear,
    O tis my delight on a shining night in the season of the year!

    And who could forget
    Twankydillow, twankydillow, twanky dilowdillowdillowdillow
    A roaring pair of bagpipes made of the green willow.

    Paul Ryan got rulered for singing "Twankydilly" so it would rhyme with "green w illy".
    I remember all these songs but have no opportunity to sing them!
  18. magic surf bus

    magic surf bus Star commenter

    One of my primary teachers insisted on us singing American folk songs, including The Big Rock Candy Mountain. We Weren't allowed to sing "burly bum came a'hiking" though. He was a burly tramp as far as the elderly Miss Williams was concerned. We still sang "bum" quietly with smirks. Good job she never saw the original final verse - apparently it had been cleaned up considerably for school use.

    Go Tell Aunt Rhody was another one, about a dead goose and its orphaned offspring. Miserable dirge.

    Making Music was a 1960s BBC schools programme which we had to sing along to. I imagine plenty of their songs were traditional.
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  19. Aquamarina1234

    Aquamarina1234 Star commenter

    Singing Together, Making Music and Time And Tune. Loved them all.
    Edit - theme tune for Making Music - G A G E.
    Last edited: Aug 13, 2020
  20. nomad

    nomad Star commenter

    As a child I remember singing some folk songs which would not be considered PC today - Boney was a Warrior and Taffy was a Welshman being just two of them.

    Singing Together was still going when I started teaching in the early mid 1970s and I do recall a term's programmes being devoted to the songs of Stephen Foster. Yup, I know these are not English songs, but they included several "minstrel" songs now best avoided.
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