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Wilshaw - Ofsted can't afford the right calibre staff

Discussion in 'Education news' started by Shedman, Sep 24, 2018.

  1. simonCOAL

    simonCOAL Occasional commenter

    I know that. I’ve been one for 35 years.

    I was DH in mid 90s in a school that appealed an inspection outcome, so please don’t treat me as an Ofsted apologist. Far from it.
  2. Sir_Henry

    Sir_Henry Occasional commenter

    "I was DH in mid 90s in a school that appealed an inspection outcome, so please don’t treat me as an Ofsted apologist. Far from it."

    I am not. But you did say that this Ofsted inspector was good, and I did ask you "What did she contribute to the pupils' learning at your school that is worth the time and expense of OFSTED?"

    I would still be interested to know, since it is my opinion that in all the time I have known Ofsted, and I go way back to a time when we had just HMI and school surveys (carried out jointly by teachers, inspectors and LEAs) with the emphasis on research, communication and a sense of community / joint school development. Now that was good.

    So what was good about this Ofsted inspector? What did she do that helped teachers, pupils and school?
  3. Oldfashioned

    Oldfashioned Senior commenter

    Head teachers have long since forgotten about teaching and only those with leadership can be ofsted inspectors, which in turn is part of the problem.
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  4. tonymars

    tonymars Occasional commenter

    OF. 'like jury duty...'. Now that IS an idea.:p
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  5. MrMedia

    MrMedia Star commenter

    Wilshaw: I miss the power and oxygen of when people would tremble in awe of my words. If I shout loud enough they will still publish me.

  6. Mrsmumbles

    Mrsmumbles Star commenter

    Yes, Willers, SHUT IT, you pompous hypocritical bastable pufflington!
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  7. Mrsmumbles

    Mrsmumbles Star commenter

    Or no degree!
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  8. Mrsmumbles

    Mrsmumbles Star commenter

    That is such a good idea. Our profession was doomed when they decided we couldn’t monitor ourselves.
    stonerose, Shedman and JohnJCazorla like this.
  9. simonCOAL

    simonCOAL Occasional commenter

    In HE there’s a thing called ‘External Examination’. ( nothing like ‘internal examination’ which is something entirely different :eek:).

    Every year a faculty has a visit from a team of external examiners. The team is made up of people from different HEIs. They all work in the equivalent areas in their universities. They don’t have to be in senior positions, but need to show that they know what they’re talking about. In my experience they do exactly the same day job as the people they are visiting.

    There is no teaching observation. They look at samples of work from a range of degree classifications.

    The idea is to swap ideas and make constructive comments along the lines of ‘this works for us’ or ‘we tried this and it doesn’t work because...’
    They write a report.

    Seems to work ok, although you do get the ones that enjoy the power. And, of course, the arrogant ones at your place that ignore any suggestions.

    You might get someone that external examines at two places (I think that’s the max you can do) in which case you can see what works well in three other universities.

    I think the pay works out at about £50 a day. The university chooses who they want.

    Perhaps something like this could be adapted for schools. But you’d still get the usual suspects applying to do it.
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  10. Timothy_Blue

    Timothy_Blue Lead commenter

    That's how it used to be in state schools before OFSTED with the assistance of HMI.
    stonerose, install and Shedman like this.
  11. phlogiston

    phlogiston Star commenter

    If schools "can't afford" the right calibre staff, why should ofsted be any different?
  12. thekillers1

    thekillers1 Lead commenter

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  13. stonerose

    stonerose Occasional commenter

    ......or it was so long ago that it might as well be the Ice Age.

    Another non- doer who needs to get back to the 'chalk face'. That or retrain.:rolleyes:
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  14. stonerose

    stonerose Occasional commenter

    At least then you would have inspectors with current workplace practice and experience in the appropriate setting i.e. the classroom, not a board room.
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  15. binaryhex

    binaryhex Lead commenter

    Teaching has been dismantled as a profession and is rapidly becoming a McJob. With lousy pay that isn’t enough to get a mortgage in many parts of the country, serious workload issues that have not been resolved and show no sign of being so, increasingly poor behaviour that is getting worse in many schools, Heads on astronomical salaries and great opportunities abroad, why on Earth would you ever expect things to get better?
  16. stonerose

    stonerose Occasional commenter

    Agree. The title head teacher should be reserved for those who actually teach. if you have no current workplace practice other than meetings and pen and paper pushing you have no right to be called a teacher, far less stand in judgment on those that do.
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  17. thekillers1

    thekillers1 Lead commenter

    So true. At least you have a free lunch with McDonalds, uniform and qualifications all paid by the fast food chain.
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  18. ajrowing

    ajrowing Occasional commenter

    It is hardly news that Ofsted don't employ the right calibre of staff, some time ago I seem to remember they employed a chap called Wilshaw who each time he opened his mouth he demonstrated he knew nothing.
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  19. thekillers1

    thekillers1 Lead commenter

    Remember his quote on stress?!

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