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Will this affect future teachers' pay rises?

Discussion in 'Education news' started by nomad, Oct 21, 2018.

  1. nomad

    nomad Star commenter

    Blanket public sector pay rises will come to an end with future wage increases based on people's performance and where they live, the Treasury has told ministers ahead of the Budget.

    Philip Hammond, the Chancellor, wants greater "flexibility" over public sector pay and is looking to take a more "targeted" approach after the abolition of the 1 per cent cap earlier this year.

    The new approach follows a series of Cabinet clashes over pay with ministers including Sajid Javid, the Home Secretary, and Gavin Williamson, the Defence Secretary, pushing for more money.I

    install, jonnymarr and phlogiston like this.
  2. drek

    drek Lead commenter

    They did come to an end for a lot of unsuspecting teachers from about 5 ish years ago.......A lot of colleagues did not get their UPS payrise opportunities for two or three years at a time supposedly because of ‘performance’.

    Payrises have been adhoc...as in we like this member of staff (unqualified, cover, HLT, NQT), they fit in so let’s keep them and give them a payrise....on the other hand that teacher has been trying for a UPS for three years now, let’s see how the next observation goes...
    and shortly after that said teacher is observed a helluva lot, and then 6 or so weeks after that round is rarely seen again......
    Mrsmumbles, install, Lalad and 5 others like this.
  3. phlogiston

    phlogiston Star commenter

    This is not the first time such ideas have been mooted, and I fear it won't be the last.
    I live in a comparatively poor part of the country and my salary when working was OK, but not particularly lap of luxuryish. It is also, despite comparative affordability also an area where it is difficult to attract teachers.
    I fear that little will be done to help the teachers (or nurses, social workers, council staff and the rest) working in the more expensive parts of the land.
    Sadly when the likes of Philip Hammond want "greater flexibility" they really mean more people tightening their belts, and people worse paid than teachers suffering real poverty.
  4. JohnJCazorla

    JohnJCazorla Star commenter

    I remember PRP being launched with the tagline,
    "Now schools can reward good teachers"

    Everyone who thought about it (and those who opposed it) got bogged down with the definition of good when the real downside is
    "No schools can afford to call any teacher good"
    -Maximilian-, dleaf12, bevdex and 5 others like this.
  5. jonnymarr

    jonnymarr New commenter

    Hammond thinks the public sector is fair game for more pay cuts. His contempt for us is very thinly-disguised. He thinks we're overpaid and that it is fair to make us poorer. His problem is that T.May has proclaimed 'austerity is over' so all he has left in terms of tactics is to divide the workforce via ( increased ) PRP and regional pay - sold to the public as 'freedom to pay good staff more' and 'market-facing pay in poorer regions'. Both of these are idiotic, shameless BS but there are plenty of people willing to believe him. Just read the Telegraph comments if you want to see the familiar old spite and hatred. Apparently we are little more than parasites feeding off the private ( wealth-creating ) sector. Why should the hard-working private sector have to pay decent wages for teachers, nurses, firefighters, police, etc....? Screw 'em! It's the public sector + the EU + migrants + benefit claimants who hold everyone else back, remember?
  6. install

    install Star commenter

    Some might say:

    It will lead to more dodgy headteachers and ceos raising their own salaries and freezing, even lowering those of teachers. Says it all - don't become a teacher if you want a fair hourly rate, fair pay increments, mobility pay, real performance pay, bonus pay, Overtime pay and try a profession instead.

    MPs seem to do okay..
  7. Mrsmumbles

    Mrsmumbles Star commenter

    Oh don’t they just? And if you fancy extra cash, screw over an entire nation, profession and future generation, get demoted from Education ‘Minister’, then get a fat juicy 70k job from Comrade Murdoch! Lovely jubbly!
    install likes this.
  8. scilady

    scilady New commenter

  9. phlogiston

    phlogiston Star commenter

    Except that my perception is that regional pay more about paying less in the cheaper regions and doing nothing about pay in the often fairly densely populated areas where more of the jobs are.
    There is no governmental desire to pay teachers in Buckinghamshire any more if they can help it.
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  10. hammie

    hammie Lead commenter

    Totally agree, all the evidence shows that this will be used to cut pay in areas where housing costs are lower and leave them stagnant in the areas perceived as more affluent.
    Still never mind; falling numbers of trainees, 11% leaving each year by the government's own figures.
    Not sure if that includes the % leaving within three year's of qualifying. Be interesting to see if that has increased since they removed the move up the scale for experience.
    JohnJCazorla likes this.

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