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Will the bubble still exist in September?

Discussion in 'News' started by misslingo, Jun 29, 2020.

  1. mrkhanteacher1

    mrkhanteacher1 New commenter

    Hello everyone, I was just wondering if your headteacher had asked you to come in on the last day before the Summer holidays for a get together to say goodbye to staff who are leaving the school. I'm quite anxious about it as it means have roughly 120 people together, in my school, is this allowed?!
     
  2. Morninglover

    Morninglover Star commenter


    Whether it is allowed or not, it seems unwise. At most it should be an invitation. If you are worried, taking a day's illness might be an idea (but make sure you inform the school you are fit to go back to work the next working day, or they may assume you are ill all the holidays).

    Alternatively go into school (& make sure the SLT know you are there), but don't attend the 'get together' - with 120 expected, will your absence be noticed?
     
  3. Andy13uk

    Andy13uk New commenter

    I would argue that a "bubble of 120 students" is a mass gathering :(

    Outbreaks here we come.....
     
  4. Catgirl1964

    Catgirl1964 Established commenter

    Year group ‘bubbles’ of up to 240 are allowed as this number is roughly the most secondary school year group consist of although some will have larger number year groups so will have to make two bubbles. A group of 240 is not a bubble, it’s a community. Also, with teaching and support staff needing to move between bubbles as is the nature of secondary education, then they are not in any one bubble but are potentially transmission vectors of the virus.
     
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  5. misslingo

    misslingo New commenter

    Yes secondary logistics are a nightmare. The nature of secondary is that teachers swap in and out all the time.
    Back to my original point, I still can't see if in primary schools specialist MFL teachers will be allowed for example, as they will go in and out of all classes? I've looked at the official guidance but there is so much contradiction, it is unclear.
     
  6. muso2

    muso2 Occasional commenter Community helper

    Yes they will, though I can't remember which part of the guidance it was in. It's definitely there - staff who teach all year groups can continue to do so in the interests of a broad curriculum.
     
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  7. misslingo

    misslingo New commenter

    Oh that's interesting, if you locate the bit let me know, though not much of the guidance corresponds with other parts. Minimise contact but have outside staff in, year group bubbles of 300 ok...wear uniform, take bags but not too much stuff.. grrr
     
  8. CabbageWhite20

    CabbageWhite20 Occasional commenter

    Is there anything specific said about different bubbles using the same space? So multiple French sets from different year groups using the same classroom for example?
     
  9. misslingo

    misslingo New commenter

    I'm not sure what you mean by that? What benefit would there be to doing that?
     
  10. Yoda-

    Yoda- Lead commenter

    Distraction is a powerful strategy.

    Distract the teachers with the guidelines. They will get sucked into trying to implement them. Whether it's possible doesn't matter. Problems will be down to them. Something won't have been done!

    Kenneth Baker distracted Teachers by implementing the National Curriculum years ago. OFSTED another distraction. Teachers need to recognise that they are being set up to fail yet again.
     
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  11. CabbageWhite20

    CabbageWhite20 Occasional commenter

    Using the same classroom one after the other - not at the same time! Current guidelines encourage keeping pupils in the same room while teachers move other than for labs etc. where there should be thorough cleaning in between.
     
  12. moscowbore

    moscowbore Star commenter

    All very interesting.
    A simple health and safety risk assessment would identify the holes in the guidance.
    A bubble of 300 is not a bubble.
    I noticed that Gav did not answer the question about how kids get to school in a socially distanced manner.
    He emphasised that parents will get fined 5 or 6 times.
    Unions seem reluctant to get involved as they do not want to be identified as the cause of students not returning to school.
    OFQUAL have been tasked with ensuring that exams of some sort will happen in 2021. Reducing the curriculum is being suggested. However, the simultaneous online/face to face lessons should be jumped on by the unions as totally impractical unless more teachers are employed.
    Gav did labour the point that tuition can be a very quick way of students catching up. He was very careful to quote a statistic that would support the notion that students will be all caught up by September.
    September is a long way away.
    Bars reopening will cause more infections. A few more spikes across the nation will mean that a significant number of students will have interrupted learning and make exams impossible. I find it laughable that anyone believes that your average London pub will be a picture of conformity. They will be packed in there as soon as the pubs open and will stay there till they puke and pass out. I would like to see how pubs will enforce any form of social distancing at 10:30 on Saturday night when the patrons have been drinking all day.
     
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  13. misslingo

    misslingo New commenter

    I agree, they might as well just say, go back to normal and we will see how it goes. That's basically what is going to happen but they have pretended to have some big plan which is all " encouraged" or contradictory. After school care is another one, don't mix groups but you might have to if kids need after school care. You are right, after the pubs and holidays resume, we can only hope for the best.
     
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  14. muso2

    muso2 Occasional commenter Community helper

    Point 5. The last paragraph of the section on how to group children.
     
  15. muso2

    muso2 Occasional commenter Community helper

    See screenshot
     

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  16. misslingo

    misslingo New commenter

    Thanks for this. I guess the guidance can apply to primary and secondary though this has to be the case to secondary otherwise there would be no lessons! How are they going to clean between lessons? They aren't is the point.
     
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  17. harsh-but-fair

    harsh-but-fair Star commenter

    I've often said that UK secondary schools are too big. Here's another example of why they should be smaller.
     
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  18. Jazzz

    Jazzz New commenter

    Sit and watch while Scottish schools go back full-time, as normal, on the 11th August. We’ll be your guinea pigs.
     
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  19. misslingo

    misslingo New commenter

    Oh that's early. Does that mean teachers have been made to go to school early or are Scottish summer holidays different normally??
     
  20. BillyBobJoe

    BillyBobJoe Lead commenter

    It's a little earlier than planned for some local authorities, but our school holidays normally run end-of-June to mid-August anyway.
     

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