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Will Brexit end....?

Discussion in 'Personal' started by Mr_Ed, Nov 16, 2016.

  1. florian gassmann

    florian gassmann Star commenter

    And during those six weeks the EU will be busy finding a replacement for Jean-Claude Junker (Macron would like it to be Michel Barnier) and for Donald Tusk and others - so the chances of doing anything at all are very remote indeed.
     
  2. nixmith

    nixmith Established commenter

    Surely this was known back in March? Why not ask for a longer extension then, because it seems like 31/10/19 is just going to be like groundhog day....
     
  3. LondonCanary

    LondonCanary Star commenter

    31/10 was the longest Macron was willing to consider. He wants it finished before the next Commission takes over.
    "Do not waste this time" said Tusk. Parliament did not listen
     
  4. Mr_Ed

    Mr_Ed Established commenter

    And who put him in charge? Who does he think he is? Charles de Gaullle...
     
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  5. lexus300

    lexus300 Star commenter

    It will be, put your pension on it.
     
  6. lexus300

    lexus300 Star commenter

    Charles de Gaullle was a better friend to the UK than most IMO. Mind you that is not saying a lot:rolleyes:
     
  7. lexus300

    lexus300 Star commenter

    Demonstrates TM's inane stupidity.
     
  8. JL48

    JL48 Star commenter

    The French people
    The President of France - the second most influential country in the EU.
    Who vetoed our entry into the European project twice.
     
  9. lexus300

    lexus300 Star commenter

    I knew there was a reason I liked the French.
     
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  10. LondonCanary

    LondonCanary Star commenter

    The extension required unanimity from the 27. Any one of them could have vetoed an extension. Macron wanted a short extension. He figured the duration would make no difference as to whether the WA was approved by Parliament. It appears he was right.
     
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  11. nixmith

    nixmith Established commenter

    Twenty-five years after we saved their country. Thanks (some people have short memories).

    P.S. I never had a problem with the EEC..... but the EU was something different.
     
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  12. irs1054

    irs1054 Star commenter

    The animosity between the British and DeGaulle worked both ways throughout the Second World War. There was also the problem of Dunkirk (where we scarpered) and Oran (where we killed French sailors). Such was the sensitivities at the time that Monty decided against sending troops into Paris when it was liberated.

    Whether DeGaulle was justified or not, he certainly felt he was justified.
     
  13. JL48

    JL48 Star commenter

    It was because he thought that we would never be committed to the European project (which always had a political aim), and were naturally more wedded to the rest of the English speaking world.

    He might have had a point, no?
     
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  14. Mr_Ed

    Mr_Ed Established commenter

    Yes, perhaps in retrospect, when it became impossible to get her agreement through parliament (say after the third attept) and knowing 'No Deal' would never be permitted, Theresa May should have addressed the nation and called a stop to Brexit. At least she would have had approx. half the country behind her, instead of nobody.
     
  15. Burndenpark

    Burndenpark Star commenter

    I think that's the most sensible post I've seen from you for... possibly as long as I can remember
     
  16. Burndenpark

    Burndenpark Star commenter

    Interesting question... it's almost as if the EU has to listen to the members and doesn't just dictate to them...

    We saved their country?

    Are you sure that they, the Americans, the Poles, the Russians, the Indians etc didn't save ours?
     
  17. nixmith

    nixmith Established commenter

    I accept this point, in fact I recently watched a film '303 Squadron' about Polish Airmen in the Battle of Britain. However, there was a period in 39/40 before Hitler invaded Russia, before Pearl Harbour when it was the British Empire alone (with Czechs and Poles) who stood up to Hitler. Again, to use film to expand this, in 'Darkest Hour' there was much support in Parliament to negotiate peace with Germany, but then we didn't. I guess that shows the difference between strong leadership and a leader who believes "compromise isn't a dirty word..."
     
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  18. lexus300

    lexus300 Star commenter

    Leaders cannot please everyone, neither can democracy.
    The alternative to democracy is what we have now in Westminster along with 'paid up' media. Not nice is it?
     
  19. FrankWolley

    FrankWolley Star commenter


    You are right about the Czechs & Poles, but don't forget the Free French as well... As this shows there were a number of airmen from a range of countries in the Battle of Britain:

    Nation Number
    [​IMG] Poland 141[1] or 145[2]
    [​IMG] New Zealand 127[2] or 135[3]
    [​IMG] Canada 112[2]
    [​IMG] Czechoslovakia 84[4] or 88[2]
    [​IMG] Belgium 28[2] or 30[4]
    [​IMG] Australia 26[4] or 32[2]
    [​IMG] South Africa 22[4] or 25[2]
    [​IMG] France 13[2] or 14[4]
    [​IMG] Ireland 10[2]
    [​IMG] United States 9[2] or 11[4]
    [​IMG] Southern Rhodesia 3[2] or 4[4]
    [​IMG] Jamaica 1[2]
    [​IMG] Barbados 1[2]
    [​IMG] Newfoundland 1[2]
    [​IMG] Northern Rhodesia

    See article for the footnotes!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-British_personnel_in_the_RAF_during_the_Battle_of_Britain
     
  20. FrankWolley

    FrankWolley Star commenter

    Barnier nails it:


    EU chief negotiator blames Brexit on 'nostalgia for the past'
    Michel Barnier also points to feelings of abandonment and insecure local identities as causes

    https://www.theguardian.com/politic...exit-on-nostalgia-for-the-past-michel-barnier

    Brexit was caused partly by “nostalgia for the past” that served no purpose in politics, the EU’s chief negotiator Michel Barnier has said.

    In an interview with the New York Review of Books, Barnier identified “typically British” causes for the vote to leave, saying one was “the hope for a return to a powerful global Britain, nostalgia for the past”.

    He also warned Tory leadership hopefuls that Theresa May’s withdrawal agreement was the only option for leaving the EU.

    Barnier, a former EU financial services commissioner, who crossed swords with the City of London when he introduced tighter regulation after the financial crisis, said some Brexit voters had wanted to “speculate freely” without the restrictions of EU rules.

    Returning to a familiar theme, he suggested others voted for Brexit because they felt abandoned and believed public services were in decline.
     
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