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Discussion in 'Personal' started by Aquamarina1234, Jan 30, 2019.

  1. Aquamarina1234

    Aquamarina1234 Star commenter

  2. lanokia

    lanokia Star commenter

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  3. BelleDuJour

    BelleDuJour Star commenter

    Agree, It means it in USA so why not here?
    And for all convicted prisoners they should not get out earlier if they behave, rather they should stay in longer if they misbehave.
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  4. Rott Weiler

    Rott Weiler Star commenter Forum guide

    How would that work for life sentences if 'life means life'?
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  5. florian gassmann

    florian gassmann Star commenter

    The most likely reason is exemplary behaviour during his first 22 years in prison.

    Escape rates from UK prisons are miniscule, and almost all escapees are caught. Having served 22 years, and with only two years left to serve, it is highly unlikely that someone like this would risk being sent back inside for probably four years or more for attempted escape.
  6. florian gassmann

    florian gassmann Star commenter

    The European Court of Human Rights, although they eventually agreed that in exceptional cases whole life orders could be made by UK courts provided that they can be kept under review in individual cases.
    Last edited: Jan 30, 2019
  7. Wotton

    Wotton Lead commenter

    They are always absconding from the local open prison in my area.
  8. 50sman

    50sman Lead commenter

    Towards the end of their sentence offenders are moved to low risk prisons as a transition stage. Their sentence eventually imposed was one of 24 years. This means after 24 years of a strict regime with all choices made for you, you are then released back into society.

    Without help for accommodation or employment the chances are you willl soon be back inside. The prison population in England and Wales is 86,000 . it is the largest in Western Europe. It would fill Wembley Stadium.

    The largest growing part of the prison population is middle aged/elderly man locked up for historic sex offences

    Without help or support you may as well start buidling more prisons.
  9. lanokia

    lanokia Star commenter

    Just checking... when you say open prison... do you mean Academy? ;)
  10. Rott Weiler

    Rott Weiler Star commenter Forum guide

    That must be what's needed. If we imprisoned at the same rate as the USA we'd have some 385,000 people in prison. We actually only have a measly 83,000 so we're lagging way behind the USA. High rates of imprisonment in the USA have demonstrably created a low-crime country, so why aren't we sending more people to prison to get our crime rate in line with the US? I blame Brexit.
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  11. lanokia

    lanokia Star commenter

    I'd argue for building more prisons to relieve overcrowding and improve conditions for prisoners. I'd also argue for greater spending on prison to build in rehabilitation and education opportunities for prisoners so as to lower rates of recidivism.

    Edit: and deradicalisation programmes and efforts to stymie the development of gangs in prisons.
  12. peter12171

    peter12171 Star commenter

    That principle should be taken further. Five years should mean five years, two years two and so on. In some exceptional circumstances a sentence could be shortened or lengthened, but in the vast majority of cases the sentence served should be the sentence given.

    Time to restore some faith in the criminal justice system.
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  13. 50sman

    50sman Lead commenter

    The way the system works is as follows. If you are given a determinate sentence eg five years you are expected to serve the last half of it on license in the community - if you transgress you can be recalled to prison to serve the rest of it at any time . Judges do know this honest.

    If you are deemed to be dangerous you sentence is not determinate, then you will not be considered for parole until at least two thirds have been serv3d. You still may not come out at the end if you still maintain you are innocent as you will be in denial.
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  14. Scintillant

    Scintillant Star commenter

    Post of the day.
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  15. Stiltskin

    Stiltskin Star commenter

    Is this true? My perception is the opposite (so was surprised). Have you got the figures that show it?

    I know Japan has an extremely low crime rate (part of which is the high clear up rates, so if you commit a crime you know you're going to be more than likely caught).

    I think dealing with low level crime in this country would be a good start. More average speed cameras on roads and more local police walking about would be my start.
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  16. Rott Weiler

    Rott Weiler Star commenter Forum guide

    I think my post needed the TES irony icon but it seems to have gone missing...:)

    It was a comment on those who posted earlier supporting 'life means life like it does in the USA'
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