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Why should I register as an Unqualified Teacher when I am qualified??

Discussion in 'Further Education' started by icarusunshine, Aug 22, 2011.

  1. I doubt it. Free schools are no different than Independent Schools (of which there are far more), and it has always the case that you do not need either QTS or QTLS or any teaching qualification to teach in these schools. Indeed Free Schools are modelled on Independent Schools.
    Yet there has never been any flow of staff from FE to the independent sector, (although if you can teach Latin, or have an Oxbridge degree, you might be in with a chance).
    The reality is that initial training providers (often FE colleges) have been training more FE humanity lecturers than are either needed in FE, or schools.

  2. I've not only heard of one, I am one!!! QTLS only, and just recently qualified. Fortunately, I had undertaken part of my WBE teaching GCSE Business Studies at our local high school. I then continued with my class on a voluntary basis, before securing my permanent role, such was the positive experience on both sides. Three of my original students have just completed their A Levels and have secured places at university studying the very same subject I taught them! Not bad for a "plastic". I am now employed on a full-time basis in the same school teaching my specialist subject together with two complementary subjects which I love. In addition, I am considered more than able to teach in lower school, supporting our Humanities department, oh my, what a threat I am becoming to my QTS colleagues!! Could this mean that lo and behold I am able to teach without QTS?? After just one year teaching, the exam results achieved by my pupils were absolutely commendable. Being a good teacher is not dependent on whether one has QTS or QTLS but more on subject knowledge, passion for one's subject and an ability to inspire and engage the learner. Fortunately, I work with the finest of professionals who all support and respect each other regardless, you see we are united in our whole school goal. Another point worth considering, I am a mature teacher and therefore did not take the conventional route into teaching. Instead I amassed an awful lot of life and industry experience which proves invaluable in the classroom and therefore must not be underestimated. Because the QTLS qualification attracts more mature students one should not be so quick to dismiss the qualities, skills, experience and knowledge brought to the profession that QTS doesn't always bring. QTLS qualified teachers could well use the sweeping statement that they bring a lot more credibility, understanding and foresight to our profession but we are far too mature and respectful. So sad your comment displays an insecurity apparently created by us plastic. QTS, QTLS, we all bring something special and unique to the learning environment, we all continue learning from each other and quite rightly so. The face of education is changing; we're moving more towards academies, the school leaving age is rising, we're evolving, and as in life, there isn't one clear, unequivocal route. Learn to move with the changes and have faith in your colleagues.
  3. Georgia99

    Georgia99 New commenter

    At my second PGCE placement secondary school, there were non degree holding, DTLLS staff employed by the school for construction, hairdressing and dance. But I do believe they were paid as instructors and not teachers.
    I went for a job as a Childcare teacher in a Wiltshire secondary school. I was the only candidate to hold QTS. The others were FE lecturers with teaching qualifications but they did all have degrees in Childcare related subjects. I didn't get the job, it quite rightly went to a candidate with a related degree and experience. The school made it clear that as long as the candidate had a degree, they were happy to employ on the teaching payscale even if QTS was not held, but a non graduate would be paid as an instructor.
    I have been going for Health and Social Care roles (my degree is in Nursing). I thought that this would be valued by schools, but in fact the jobs I have been for have all tended to go to internal candidates with no HSC experience. Even in my PGCE placement schools, not a single HSC teacher who trained me had any background experience in the sector. I visited a couple of FE colleges who were advertising jobs and they were much more keen to employ candidates with sector experience and told me they wouldn't consider someone without a degree in a related profession.
  4. That's fantastic news! I can spread the word now to disbelieving colleagues! Very well done indeed!!! :)
    May I be so forward as to ask whether they placed you on the QTS or Non-QTS payscale? If it's true parity you should be on the teaching payscale!
    What age ranges and subjects are you teaching?!
  5. I applied for the position of "Teacher of Business Studies", was completely honest in my application re. qualifications, the topic of my QTLS status was never discussed. However, once my paperwork was processed through the local county council they did not recognise my qualification as giving me qualified status. Apparently, they operate the rules of the "Blue Book" which did/does not reflect the qualified status of QTLS. When I raised the issue with the school (and the union) they agreed to backpay the difference from this September, being the time that QTLS was officially recognised by parliament and thus reflected in the blue book. School was happy but county were the sticklers. I'm reliably informed that academies, public schools and some faith schools can and do operate outwith the blue book and therefore pay at their own discretion.
    In addition to my Business Studies at years 10, 11, 12 and 13, I also teach GCE Economics and Politics, years 12 and 13. Furthermore, I teach RE, Geography, Humanities and IT to years 7, 8 and 9. As our new sixth form expands, it is my plan to focus and work full-time with years 12 and 13 thus dropping 7, 8 and 9, not because I can't teach but more because, like most teachers, I am more comfortable, confident and effective in my specialist area. Incidentally, as the only Business specialist, I lead on Business Studies with a QTS as my support, and also lead on Politics with the headmaster as my support. Plastic??
  6. This is a real shame to hear. I'm suprised that schools seem happy to take those with QTS but no actual practical experience in HSC - beggars belief really. Surely you'd want someone who actually knows what they're talking about?! With your nursing background you'd be a great addition to a HSC dept!
  7. Georgia99

    Georgia99 New commenter

    I know Kad, most schools have got it completely wrong. As long as they have QTS they don't care about your background. This is something FE institutes have right over schools, I hear people say FE lecturers often aren't as educated as teachers. This frustrates me as when you are learning a vocation, it is much more important to have someone with sector experience and a bit of flair. My first placement secondary school had a HSC teacher with a degree in Sociology, the second had a degree in Food Science. I have lost out in my last two school Health and Social Care interviews to a candidate whose degree was in primary school teaching and another whose degree was in Psychology. Neither had even worked in HSC, a FE college wouldn't have even interviewed those candidates.
    I left sixth form at 16 due to the poor teaching of HSC. I went to my local FE college and was taught by an ex Social Worker and an ex Nurse. They delivered the Health and Social Care course at a much higher standard than I ever experience from a school teacher who had no experience in the sector. I hope eventually I can get into FE, which is why I am working as a NVQ assessor now to get the experience with adult learners. My PGCE was 14-19 but was mainly school based so I think I'll struggle applying for FE jobs against candidates who completed their PGCE in LLS.
  8. Thought i'd join the band wagon, QTLS qualified got 2 assignments left on my BA Hons in Education & Training The head has given me a full timetable for the last 4 years just been observed by Ofsted this week got Good with outstanding features, Teach ICT (95%) past rate C and above, also teach Level 2 & 3 at public services. Being rewarded with a change in contract in April and placed on main scale at M5 Not bad for a plastic.
  9. Won't comment on the typos/punctuation errors though! [​IMG]
  10. mandala1

    mandala1 Occasional commenter

    So you aren't a graduate? General comment - but IMHO that our profession is (or used to be) a graduate profession has helped to raise the status immeasurably. And teachers need all the help they can get in this area. I appreciate that you are probably doing a good job, ricey, but that you are not a graduate, and what that says about eroding standards, shocks and appals me.
  11. You are not ?Being rewarded with a change of contract? Ricey.

    After four years on a Part Time contract, you employer is legally obliged to give you a Permanent contract or give you the sack. If he gives you the sack he has to pay you redundancy money or risk legal action plus he?ll have to pay to find someone else etc. etc.

    You have been willingly (?) exploited for the past four years and your employer is banking on your willingness to continue to be easy to exploit in the future. From your employer's perspective you are an 'ideal employee'. Believe me, if employers such as yours could get away with keeping you on a lower pay scale, they would. Your employer is just saving money, that?s all.
  12. Already had a full time contract but was employed as an Instructor, and until the change in law which happens in April only QTS holders could get paid on Main Scale, thus a change in contract from Instructor to Teacher, i have had wonderful support from the head who's hands were tied until the Wolf Review.
    I do realize that if there is an opportunity to pay someone less for the same job then of course they are going to do that but i do feel that those with QTLS should strive to gain a degree other wise you will always be classed as plastic. And to be honest cannot understand why anyone really who wants parity would not get a degree, and before all those say about time constraints i have a family with 2 kids.

    P.S didn't realize that this forum had its special branch of spell checkers (Get a life)
  13. You may have been employed as an Instructor but did you get observed by OFSTED as an Instructor? If you did you can't compare OFSTED observations with that of a Teacher. If you didn't, then.......?

    I appreciate your point about the importance of gaining a degree and suggest that this practically destroys the notion of IFL's QTLS 'Award' as a stand-alone 'qualification' to teach.

    And don't count your chickens just yet, there may not be a change in law next April. QTLS in schools is only a proposal thus far. Neither the Wolf Review nor the Ministers recommendation can change the law. Due process has to be followed and the law must be changed before QTLS is approved, and I suspect there'll be opposition from many quarters.

    Links to the Proposal and to the E-consultation below:

    Proposed changes: http://www.education.gov.uk/consultations/index.cfm?action=consultationDetails&consultationId=1778&external=no&menu=1

    E-consultation form: http://www.education.gov.uk/consultations
  14. I got observed as a Teacher, I do feel that there should be another route to gaining QTS and feel that QTLS with a degree satisfy both parties.
    I do not tend to count my chickens as you will already see that i have nearly finished my degree despite having QTLS for over 2 years, i thought i'd best cover my back and get a degree just in case cos i am well aware of how quickly things change..

    Just a note all the heads should have recieved notification about QTLS holders been employed as teachers i know the ASCL sent out a clarfication letter my head showed me
  15. Ricey, You say you "got observed as a Teacher" when in fact you were not a Teacher. I have some concerns re OFSTED being aware they were observing someone who was not a Teacher, presumably taking a class without a qualified Teacher present. Is this common practice in schools and more importantly, is it actually allowed by law?
  16. Non QTS holders can take a class, as far as OFSTED were concerned i was qualified teacher and observed me accordingley. They also observed an Instructor who was officially classed as an Instructor but used the criteria of a teacher also.

    Not sure about other schools but we have some people who aren't QTS holders who are working towards being qualified that are treated the exact same way regards to classroom expectations and teaching & learning. They are fully expected to follow all the requirements of a Qualified Teacher no matter what.
  17. Whether the way your school uses Instructors and Trainees as Qualified Teachers is legal or illegal, I think what they are doing is underhand, shoddy and unethical. The revelation that unqualified Instructors have been practising (posing?) as Qualified Teachers, with the blessing of OFSTED no less, for as long as four years frankly appals me and I certainly wouldn't be sending my child to your school in the knowledge that he/she was being 'taught' by someone who has no statutory Teaching Qualifications.

    Presuming yours is a state-maintained school in England or Wales, I am also less than pleased to discover that my taxes pay the DfE to dole out education on the cheap, instead of employing Qualified Teachers to educate our children. It's no wonder our education system is so far down in world rankings if this is an example of the sort of things which are going on in our schools.
  18. I can assure you that every state maintained school in the land does this, and always has. But niether you or your child is likey to notice as such colleagues often out-shine their 'qualified'. colleagues.
    And as for the independent sector; you'll be lucky to find anyone with QTS.
    Don't worry, when the recommendations of the Wolf report are adopted, they'll all get paid the same.
  19. Your are so right shirt and tie i outperform several of QTS holders with regards to all aspects (exam results, observations etc) and the students, parents are non the wiser i am classed as a Teacher and treat me as such. My record speaks for itself and i can't wait till April and neither can my boss because people like me who are making difference are finally getting recognition didn't realize that you could only get recognition if you had QTS (tell that to my students who's targets were E's and F's and came out with B's) are you sure Mr Clarke you don't want me to teach your child!!!!!!
  20. ricey I applaud you!
    I assume you are an Associate in IfL and will be moving on to Membership once you have your degree done and dusted! If that is so then it may assuage Mr Clarke's sense of rightness to know this.... though this may not be so as I don't know all of your certs etc, but I do know a number of FE lecturers with Membership and no degree.
    Keep at it, good luck!

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