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“Why new teachers should not have to plan lessons. They should just get on with the teaching”

Discussion in 'Education news' started by TES_Rosaline, Jan 28, 2016.

  1. Maths_Shed

    Maths_Shed Occasional commenter

    Thought a requote was in order as so many don't seem to appreciate this.

    USB sticks, the internet, cheap storage etc has made so many aspects of the traditional teachers role far less important. Time saved here is better spent elsewhere, I think development of behaviour management has a greater importance than it used to and deserves extra time spent on it.


    Time to stop the neo-Luddism and get out of the 20th century.
     
  2. Vince_Ulam

    Vince_Ulam Star commenter

    Don't you fear that all this might diminish the need for mathematical specialists?
     
  3. snowyhead

    snowyhead Lead commenter

    Well, ain't that the truth.
     
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  4. Maths_Shed

    Maths_Shed Occasional commenter

    I can see the day when maths lessons in many schools are radically different from what they are at present. We have already seen classes of 60 with sixth formers as support and I can see the lesson being a video/live stream with support in to do the minding. Not good but unless something radical is done at a governmental level the drift in that direction is, I fear, inevitable. In the mean time I think we, as a professional body, need to do everything we can to alleviate the problems experienced by those new to the profession to try and hang on to them.
     
  5. Vince_Ulam

    Vince_Ulam Star commenter

  6. Findlotte

    Findlotte Established commenter

    I'm revising subject knowledge atm and will most likely use the revision checklists that I've made for myself with my students next year on my PGCE.

    Hopefully by September I'll know everything I need to and will be able to plan lessons with 'ease'.
     
  7. TCSC47

    TCSC47 Star commenter

    I certainly hope not. Maths is definately a very important subject. The sadness is that so much of the maths teaching is lost on many students. I would add that so much of science which is my subject is also lost on students. It does make you wonder what we are doing in reality.

    But if you are refering to the fact that if we have a set of lesson plans, that it will make the teacher specialist unneccessary, I don't think that will be the case. I think the single most important thing in any subject is an enthusiastic teacher who is capable of iinstilling a love of the subject in students that want to study it. Thus we come back to what Ms. Rizvi seems to be saying. That the teacher should be given time and space to develope an enthusiastic and clear aproach to their subject.
     
  8. Vince_Ulam

    Vince_Ulam Star commenter

    If resources and plans are to be provided and prescribed by a school or, as @Maths_Shed suggested, by ITT, then where is the need for a subject specialist? Where also is the need for a qualified teacher?
     
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  9. Maths_Shed

    Maths_Shed Occasional commenter

    Lack of qualified, subject specific teachers would be a disaster. Unfortunately it's already happening, who knows how bad it will get and how extensive it will be?
     
  10. Flere-Imsaho

    Flere-Imsaho Star commenter

    I think if you have proper subject specialists then there shouldn't be a need to spend time developing subject knowledge. Yes, you need to adapt your knowledge to the curriculum but that's curriculum and exam spec. knowledge not subject knowledge and should be part of ITE.

    I really don't understand how you can develop an "enthusiastic and clear" approach to your subject if you can't experiment with different approaches and there's little room for experimentation if you're using set lesson plans and resources.
     
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  11. Vince_Ulam

    Vince_Ulam Star commenter

    Why then should we exacerbate the problem by doling out resources?
     
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  12. Maths_Shed

    Maths_Shed Occasional commenter

    Why would it exacerbate the problem? Recently qualified teachers are leaving the profession citing workload pressure as a reason. Any reduction in their workload would go some way to reducing the number leaving and would alleviate the problem.
     
  13. Vince_Ulam

    Vince_Ulam Star commenter

    In popular idiom, this is called 'cutting off your nose to spite your face'.
     
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  14. Godmeister

    Godmeister Occasional commenter

    I've said it before and I'll say it again. Planning lessons and modifying/making resources are what a teacher should be doing. Most of the people I know who have problems with workload aren't complaining about excessive planning and resourcing. They are, however, complaining about ridiculous demands on their time in the form of endless paperwork, unnecessary data, constant interventions, pointless meetings and never ending changes to the curriculum.

    Planning lessons is a basic teaching skill. We should not be advocating reducing the job to delivering somebody else's lessons to free up time to be doing pointless admin. Having a bunch of teachers who can't plan their own lessons is pointless.
     
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  15. lizziescat

    lizziescat Star commenter

    You mean like a cover supervisor timetabled to teach GCSE maths despite having no GCSE herself? (actually had taken and failed the exam twice as an adult)

    Yup that really did happen.
     
    Last edited: Jan 30, 2016
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  16. lizziescat

    lizziescat Star commenter

    But surely you wouldn't need to employ maths teachers in the first place (well perhaps just one per school to plan lessons - maybe they don't even need to teach) and then the cheapest person going can 'deliver' so no need to offer decent salaries to maths teachers.
     
  17. wanet

    wanet Star commenter

    Isn't teaching a lot more than writing lesson plans. I tend to believe that a good experienced teacher shouldn't really need to write any. however, for those starting out and being overwhelmed by their early years in teaching anything that makes life easier should be tried.
    Why should it be either or? Comments seem to be polarised, but the reality should be towards the centre.
     
  18. Vince_Ulam

    Vince_Ulam Star commenter

    NQTs should plan their lessons from the ground up or adapt resources generously but voluntarily granted them by their colleagues; they should not be required to teach a full timetable.
     
  19. Godmeister

    Godmeister Occasional commenter

    Exactly. Basic teaching skills are planning, resourcing (be it choosing what to use/adapting/creating), teaching lessons and assessment. I don't think any of these are what cause workload overload. If they are then surely people should be reconsidering why they went into teaching?

    Workload overload comes from the unnecessary nonsense that teachers are increasingly expected to do. THAT is we should be trying to reduce, not dumbing down the teaching part.
     
  20. Flere-Imsaho

    Flere-Imsaho Star commenter

    This is the wrong reduction.

    They should still have to plan but without having to produce pages of planning for each lesson. Reducing some of these stupid triple marking policies would also help reduce workload.
     
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