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Why does no one listen to me?

Discussion in 'Personal' started by cyolba, May 25, 2011.

  1. Sorry, can you repeat that? I didn't quite catch it and it sounded as if you were whingeing again.

    cyolba, boosting everyone's confidence :)
  2. exactly!
  3. giraffe

    giraffe New commenter

    This happened to me in a previous school.
    HT just about realised she was doing it and said something along the lines of 'I think you are being negative, but then it turns out you are right usually..' Her point was, that I should not be so lukewarm about new proposals, and then she would be able to take me seriously! Don't think she saw the logic in it 'tho, that I wasn't being difficult, just saw the flaws before everyone else.
    Extremely frustrating for me and so I left.

    Different school, my viewpoint was respected and sought after, and I was given responsibility accordingly.
    And a whole lot more work to go with it!
  4. Which means that you can now afford a plethora of knickers. So there's a silver lining.

    cyolba, the tunnel at the end of the light :)
  5. The best way round it is to identify what you consider the problem to be but instead of then just explaining why you feel it won't work and going through a massive list of problems you forsee you should suggest an alternative method that might be more successful. If you don't have an answer to the problem you're raising then it does seem like you're just whinging, even if that isn't your intention. There's nothing worse than spending ages trying to plan a new initiative to then announce it and spend half an hour defending it to colleagues who appear to be ripping it apart when your intention was meant to be for the better. That's not to say that some of the 'schemes' people come up with aren't ridiculous (my own included) but you should be careful in your approach if this is how you feel. Whenever my staff bring me a problem I always ask them to bring me a solution along with it. Maybe if you tried this more often they would hold you in higher respect. I know that if you were a member of my team who demonstrated that you could not only analyse the situation and identify problems but suggest ideas for what might be a better way forward I would definitely start to pay a lot more attention to your ideas.
  6. oldsomeman

    oldsomeman Star commenter

    With due respect you cant always bring a solution because you might not have one.There might not be a solution..........for example you are overstaffed in a school...the head wants to redeploy or reconfigure so that staff maybe work longer hours etc...solution is to cut staff..but the result is more stress on the existing staff....so how can staff suggest a possible solution to a management decision.Who is going to volunteer the answer and risk the wrath of the others.If not wrath the upsetting of relationships.Schools normally work as a community and what effects one affects the others.In this case the staff will only see the negative aspect of such decsions as they are thinking self preservation and will not see the solution that management has to choose..
    In many cases poor management is due more to lack of consulation..in over 50 years of work experience i can assure you its true. Often they take a stategic views and dont always see the knok on effect..witness the present goverments stratagies and comments. The Staff often do have comments which deserve to be researched and a wise boss listens to the emplyees......I stll do when I am working in my building game..they oftn come up with ideas which i see makes life easier.although some cant be implemented due to H&S or legal reasons.Sometimes down to my own professional pride reasons.
    If they have a negative view then do challange....but do listen and consider.......even if its the dreaded old working party system end up being used.I have often been considered negative, because i can forsee problems, although in the end i have to accept the decision of the boss. However, often my concerns and problems i have pointed out do come to fruition and they reluctantly aknowledge that I was correct.One has to work within the constraints of that decision, but its maybe good for consultation to be that, and not some window dressing to cover the fact that decisions have been made already.
    At other times you can see only the problem not the solution(something familiar to any boss or leader). Then you do have to make unilateral decisions and leave the results to fate and circumstances......but these thankfully do not occur to often.

  7. They don't like you being bright enough to see problems and head them off faster than they can.
    Some of the people are jealous because you can do this.
    Some are so insecure that they cannot lay a play on the table an bear to watch a 'hole' being identified. (There's a joke there somewhere.)
    Some people are just dumb. They would follow yogi bear from picnic basket to the edge of the cliff and never use their own brain to think about what was happening.
    What they should do if they had even a smidgeon of a brain cell would be to invite you onto a planning party and let you thrash out the problems etc. They would then look good for the overall plan but you'd be happy and life would run smoothly.
    What they might do is invite you to the planning party let you talk but agree a totally different conclusion. Three months down the line all your idea will be used but with an important element left out so it doesn't make sense and someone elses name on it.
    Best look in the job section if it's really getting to you. I do sympathise though.
  8. magic surf bus

    magic surf bus Star commenter

    I was very lukewarm about my HT's enthusiasm for the Level 2 Diploma, and asked not to be involved in it. The HT ranted at me that as Head of the school's specialist subject I should have been banging their door down demanding to be involved in the Level 2 Diploma.

    So to my ex-HT I ask one question - where is the Level 2 Diploma now?
  9. emilystrange

    emilystrange Star commenter

    my last boss dismissed everything i said simply because it was me that had said it. i used to get other people to say things for me in the end, and that worked! they all saw through her so were happy to help.
  10. kibosh

    kibosh Star commenter

    You hided it, din you magic? I knows you did. Stamps foot and misses.
  11. magic surf bus

    magic surf bus Star commenter

    Chance would have been a fine thing, kibosh. I certainly know where I would have stuck it ;-)
  12. magic surf bus

    magic surf bus Star commenter

    My sympathy emilystrange - Mrs MSB had exactly the same problem with her last boss, despite having been appointed as someone who could bring fresh ideas into the school. She left after only two terms of that ***** and is now a much happier person for it.
  13. clear_air

    clear_air New commenter

    1. manner in which points are delivered.
    2. forum in which points are delivered.
    3. personalities. Some people can't get beyond them, sadly.
  14. oldsomeman

    oldsomeman Star commenter

    any leader is an idiot if they fail to listen to advice and meaningful comment....but this is different to taking action, which in the end only they can initiate it!Action shuld only happen after it has been considered from all angles.
    As an emloyer i regulary have to take action and decisions.......but i do try to ask for others opinions if possible!

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