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'Why do politicians fail to grasp how much skill is needed to be a great teacher?'

Discussion in 'Education news' started by Shedman, Mar 27, 2016.

  1. Shedman

    Shedman Star commenter

    Everyone has seen a teacher in action. Superficially it appears straight forward, the delivery of a certain body of knowledge or developing the students' skills. But every teacher is different with different teaching styles and methods.

    The skill comes from adaption of your methods to suit the particular group or even individual students within it.

    The skill comes from keeping a clear objective in mind and shepherding a group of contrasting and disparate young people towards it.

    The skill comes from a continuous evaluation of everything you do all of the time to ensure students are learning effectively, are engaged and motivated and, hopefully, working with you.

    As OFSTED has conceded by abolishing individual ratings of lessons these are skills that simply cannot be measured and evaluated. Unless you've taught for a meaningful amount of time you'd have no idea these skills actually exist. Well that's my view. What do colleagues think?
     
  2. minnie me

    minnie me Star commenter

    Because it suits them not to
     
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  3. hammie

    hammie Lead commenter

    the objective is frequently (hardly ever?) not even the same for every member of the class in front of a you either.
    but i agree continuous evaluation of what is happening virtually every minute that you are working. That used to be called using your professional judgement.
     
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  4. Inspirit

    Inspirit Occasional commenter

    I wish more people realised this... And how crucially important it is!
     
  5. delnon

    delnon Lead commenter

    One of the problems is that our (not very bright) politicians believe their own propaganda,
     
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  6. Middlemarch

    Middlemarch Star commenter

    Everything that happens in schools must be measured and data collected.

    Politicians of successive governments want to believe that it's possible to measure how good a teacher is using the simplest possible methods and no matter how much research is done to prove that these 'methods' are wrong, they will refuse to believe it.
     
  7. Shedman

    Shedman Star commenter

    The simplest method is just to look at exam performance - as we say, you're only as good as your last set of results.
     
  8. Middlemarch

    Middlemarch Star commenter

    Ah, but not all teachers produce exam results.
     
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  9. JL48

    JL48 Star commenter

    and I like to think that the students play a role in achieving their exam results.
     
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  10. Landofla

    Landofla Established commenter

    Because it doesn't bring in any money.
     
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  11. Shedman

    Shedman Star commenter

    We will do!
     
  12. redlamp2

    redlamp2 Occasional commenter

    They do recognise great teachers - but only those teaching at private schools. The rest are common plebs who should learn from those great teachers in private schools.
     
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  13. phlogiston

    phlogiston Star commenter

    Did it start with Chris Woodhead? Was it 15000 inadequate teachers? The political agenda has been more obsessed with 'rooting out the bad teachers' than growing the good ones.
    David Cameron wanted the GTC destroyed because it had only removed a couple of dozen poor teachers, rather than because it had failed in its role of developing the teaching profession. Never mind that I, in a fairly small area was aware of heads (pre-academy) using normal disciplinary procedures to remove almost the same number.
    I suspect that there was also a touch of political vengeance as some of the Government and media felt there were issues left over from the dispute in the 80s.
    This is then combined with a powerful anti public service philosophy combined with a significant distaste for the electorate save in the run up to elections. Odd that MPs forget that they are public servants too!
    I am pessimistic about the way our society is developing.
     
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  14. delnon

    delnon Lead commenter

    I think the GTC's fate was sealed when it dared to criticise the government.
     
  15. Skeptical_John

    Skeptical_John New commenter

    Politicians are well aware of how much skill is needed to be a great teacher. That's why they send their kids to private schools.
     
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  16. NQT1986

    NQT1986 Occasional commenter


    Do Ofsted not give individual ratings for lessons or do they still rate them but only tell your management and not the teachers concerned?!


    I was under the impression that SMT have a list of teachers they believe to be RI/good/outstanding and then Ofsted will see if they agree. Is that not the case any more?
     
  17. Shedman

    Shedman Star commenter

    As far as I understand it OFSTED will rate the overall quality of teaching in a school but will not rate individual teachers.
     
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  18. install

    install Star commenter

    If politicians recognised the skills of teachers then their fear may just be that that would then have to equate to the same financial rights that MPs enjoy.

    Also the realisation that teaching is tough, tough, tough ...
     
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  19. install

    install Star commenter

    Added to this of course there is the issue that some Headteachers don't grasp how difficult teaching is either. And some Heads are quick to demand results of teachers whilst not teaching themselves...
     
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  20. hammie

    hammie Lead commenter

    ofsted are now far more interested in the management of a school than the teachers. The reasoning being that good managers will sort out the teaching given time in post. To some extent I agree with this, no one should be judging a teacher on 20 or 30 minutes.
     
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