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Why Do People Hate Nigel Farage?

Discussion in 'Personal' started by Vladimir, Feb 14, 2016.

  1. Duke of York

    Duke of York Star commenter

    I'm sorry to disabuse you of this notion, dumpty, but Cameron isn't threatened by UKIP. He's threatened, or rather the men in grey suits are, by the divisions in the Tory Party over where they stand on Europe.

    You delude yourself.This isn't the way politics works. As I said earlier, Farage has been shown to be a non-entity since he couldn't convince the public to elect him. He's been played like a puppet by those in the other parties who encouraged the media to let his voice be heard in order to achieve their own aims.

    The issue isn't about whether or not we stay in Europe, it's about who gets control at home. Cameron is trying to negotiate a deal that will allow him as the representative of his faction to tell us it's best to remain in the EU. If he succeeds and the referendum goes his way, his faction will win the Tory leadership battle. If the refendum goes the other way, his party opponents win the leadership battle.

    As I understand it and am happy to be corrected, a referendum outcome doesn't legally bind a government to obey the wishes of the people in the same way a general election does. It merely acts as a litmus test that helps to decide the way forward.

    It would seem likely to me that if there was a serious prospect of the UK leaving the EU on the wishes of the people, the pros and cons of the matter would be publicly debated by experts for a long time. Years maybe, because it's a serious matter with lots of implications. The suggestion is that the referendum could take place as early as June.

    Maybe it will, but all this tell us is that the Cameron faction knows it has won the leadership contest.

    The referendum might take place a year after, or it might never take place at all. After all it was a pledge that Cameron made to swat an irritating fly and when he's gone, his successor isn't bound by the pledges he made.

    Then there's the question of the matter being bogged down with unexpected and debilitating legal consequences if Britain leaves before 2021, by which time we'll have a new government, offering hope and aspiration for the future and all talk of a referendum will be forgotten, along with the obituaries of Nigel Farage's death through liver failure.

    A week is a long time in politics. You'd be foolish to bet on the outcome, just as you'd have been foolish to bet that Nigel Farage would ever get elected or that when they were really on a roll, UKIP wouldn't end up losing half of the pathetic number of MPs it had nicked from the Tories.
     
  2. dumpty

    dumpty Star commenter

    Duke of York,
    Rather than quote you and clutter, it might be best to say I totally and completely disagree with all you say. To think we would have been given a referendum this election unless Farage was such a force is silly. Cameron knows it would be far easier to get his party to back him and shut up than take on the masses.He did not want to offer the referendum.

    This, however, needs addressing.The whole ethos of the EU has been to deny the people either an opinion or a say. This is what has, finally, caused its downfall. They have had 40 years to convince us it is a great project, how much more time do you want to give them????

    They simply never bothered as they did not have to or want to. Firstly the fact Cameron knows the people want a referendum is bad enough for it, secondly the fact it will be close is outrageous after 40 years of total power to do as they please.
     
  3. Scintillant

    Scintillant Star commenter

    I'm simply reporting that they tend to be older, male and have a lower educational achievement when compared to other voters. Don't blame me.

    You are correct to say that their youth vote has gone up two per cent. However, I don't know the poll in question and the margin of error is usually at least two per cent or greater...
     
  4. delnon

    delnon Lead commenter

    If Farage and UKIP are so insignificant, why are people posting such lengthy comments on them?
     
  5. lexus300

    lexus300 Star commenter

    Realistically he might win a seat but UKIP are 'anti-establishment'. I would like them to win sufficient seats to make life difficult for the main parties.
     
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  6. Didactylos4

    Didactylos4 Star commenter

    Because a lot of nonsense is being posted in support of them.:p
     
  7. Flere-Imsaho

    Flere-Imsaho Star commenter

    :)
     
  8. Alf58

    Alf58 Established commenter

    There has been quite a lot of nonsense against them as well.
     
  9. oldsomeman

    oldsomeman Star commenter

    Its always the way of politics that you smear the opposition with as much s**T as you can.The old saying it that if you throw enough s**t some of it sticks.
    I do wish that folk agreed to disagree,had a decent debate on the pros and cons and stop trying to besmirch folk.
    The who point of Ukip is that they fight for what they believe, their policies are not perfect( no party as perfection) and they have a spokesperson who is able to hold his own in a debate...he has not fear ,but does know when not to dig a hole to bury himself.He does not fit the ideal of some, but speaks to the common person in plain language.At least he puts his head above the parapet and speaks out.Some like Corbyn have disappeared from the debate completely. In my mind he would wave and sing the Red flag and invite all to come and join the party( yes it is a gross exaggeration!)
     
  10. Flere-Imsaho

    Flere-Imsaho Star commenter

    You want a decent debate which doesn't besmirch people while posting comments about Corbyn signing The Red Flag.

    Make your mind up.
     
  11. Alf58

    Alf58 Established commenter

    Sorry this does not quite make sense. Most Socialists would be proud to sing the red flag. Indeed until recently the Red Flag used to be sung at the end of the Labour Party Conference. I also recall Billy Bragg singing it on a stage with Mr Corbyn and others following the announcement of his victory in the Leadership election. It is a venerable and respected anthem of Socialism. To accuse a Labour Politician of singing it is not "besmirching".
     
  12. oldsomeman

    oldsomeman Star commenter

    Yes well I might. I posted that with tongue in mouth....but I am seriously pointing out that no such debate has been heard from Labour.They give the impression they are solidly pro EU but it would be nice to hear their stand other than a reported comment the Cameron demands are irrelevant. Well they might be.but at least state what is relevant .One gets the impression the Labour leader hasn't a clue and is hopping if he keeps his head down it will blow over than he can claim some sort of moral ground of being the good guy.
     
  13. Duke of York

    Duke of York Star commenter

    There has also been a recurrent history on here of sock puppetry trying to make out that support for UKIP and its policies is far greater than the reality.
     
  14. oldsomeman

    oldsomeman Star commenter

    Statistics..lies ,lies and dammed lies///they are ultimately what people want them to represent.
     
  15. Didactylos4

    Didactylos4 Star commenter

    If you but look Olds you will discover that the leadership of Labour are almost to a man/woman campaigning for an IN vote
    They have bodies actively working on the In campaign

    Amongst the MPs, like most other parties there are some who want to remain In and some who want out
    As with the membership

    The same applies to the Tories

    And although limited by MPs to the Libs

    Most of the SNP are for staying in
    I haven't seen any statements from either the Welsh or NI parties either way

    Even amongst members of UKIP there are some who aren't entirely sure which way they want to vote (Not many though)
     
  16. Duke of York

    Duke of York Star commenter

    What nobody can lie about is election results. For all the huff and puff before the last election about UKIP becoming a major political force, the country showed it wasn't interested. Earlier this year we heard that UKIP's financial backers were no longer supporting the party and UKIP was on the verge of bankruptcy.

    Whether or not you like their policies, sooner or later you'll have to accept, their policies will never be implemented.
     
  17. delnon

    delnon Lead commenter

    It is certainly no lie that at the last election, a party with less than 37% of the vote won a majority in the Commons.
    It is certainly no lie that UKIP polled over 3 million votes and won only one seat.
    It is certainly no lie that the vast majority of votes cast have no effect whatsoever on the outcome of the election.
    It is certainly no lie that our voting system is corrupt and fraudulent.
    It is certainly no lie that the Tweedle-Diddle and Tweedle-Dumb parties will do anything to keep it that way.
    How much longer they can hold down the lid on voters' discontent is another question. UKIP is a symptom: our political system is the disease.
     
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  18. lexus300

    lexus300 Star commenter

    One of their policies was/is to give the people of GB a referendum on EU membership.:)
     
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  19. lexus300

    lexus300 Star commenter

    Which is a very good reason to have a referendum IMO.
     
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  20. FritzGrade

    FritzGrade Senior commenter

    Unless you live in Israel multi party elections can result in a majority government with less than 50% of the popular vote. As in Israel PR generally leads to a coalition government. Last time we had one of those there was a lot of moaning.
     

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