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WHY ARE WE DOING THIS ?

Discussion in 'Education news' started by ACOYEAR8, Jun 3, 2020.

  1. mrajlong

    mrajlong Senior commenter

    The bubbles and social distancing in schools are a little bit like "smoke and mirrors" especially as you know they are mixing outside of school, but what is the alternative? At least it might keep staff safer. We'll probably all be locked down again before Xmas anyway! However, I hope this is not the case.
     
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  2. Jonntyboy

    Jonntyboy Lead commenter

    I think that reporting kids fro your own school to the police for not obeying social distancing rules is disgusting, yes.

    I think the rules are largely unnecessary for healthy people, especially kids, yes.

    I'm sorry about your cousin: he has certainly succumbed unusually quickly and I hope he soon makes a full recovery, as do >95%. I know dozens of people who have been breaking the rules for weeks who are not in hospital and who are not ill.

    I think the extreme hysteria about Covid 19 is silly.

    I think that if we don't get back to normal very quickly, more people will eventually die because of the restrictions than will die of Covid19. And, sadly, these will be younger people, not the very elderly and ill who are in many cases in the last few months of their lives anyway.
     
  3. Marisha

    Marisha Established commenter

    I hope you're of he
    That's not the point. They could endanger others. They're young. Super. They may have middle-aged parents who won't be able to withstand the virus so easily.
     
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  4. Jonntyboy

    Jonntyboy Lead commenter

    I agree that is a possibility, but can only repeat what I stated earlier: "I think that if we don't get back to normal very quickly, more people will eventually die because of the restrictions than will die of Covid19. And, sadly, these will be younger people, not the very elderly and ill who are in many cases in the last few months of their lives anyway."
     
  5. Corvuscorax

    Corvuscorax Star commenter

    my cousin has just died, he was younger than me, and has left a teenage daughter and an ex wife and a twin brother. He did succumb very quickly. He was ill for less than a week
     
  6. hhhh

    hhhh Star commenter

    This is not true for all students. Some are very concerned about spreading it to vulnerable family members. Some even realise it has killed young, fit people like themselves. Some are not fit and healthy and realise they are especially vulnerable.
     
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  7. ACOYEAR8

    ACOYEAR8 Star commenter

    I'm certain it doesn't take many non conforming students to spread contagion. South Korea had the one guy going from club to club.....
    I see the efforts from schools to follow govt guidance like allowing passengers to visit a weapons shop after passing through a security check before boarding the plane.
     
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  8. mistermanager

    mistermanager New commenter

    That is a really idiotic viewpoint, there are no two ways about it. The rules are completely necessary for everybody and the science backs that up. What a deeply idiotic post. And before you say anything, yes I think we need to get out of lockdown asap and get the economy up and running and I most definitely do not support Labour on any level.
     
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  9. theworm123

    theworm123 Lead commenter

    Where are the parents in this? A 14 year is not an adult (like they seem to think they are) and are still the responsibility of their parents so they should be held accountable also.
     
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  10. sbkrobson

    sbkrobson Star commenter

    I actually found this a difficult post to read.
    Seriously.
    In fact it left me completely silent for about 21 seconds before I could even begin to reply.
     
  11. ACOYEAR8

    ACOYEAR8 Star commenter

    With students who are not social distancing outside school but gathering in large groups in parks , clear lack of parental awareness, is it not appropriate that authorities are informed at least ?
    If it is against the law to be in such larger groups then these groups need to be dispersed. The problem I think is a ' sneaky' belief that it doesn't matter any more.
    I believe a similar POV was held not so long ago by the horse racing events authorities.
    Schools have been physically transformed, entire school days have been re-thought, countless hours spent on ensuring safety but meanwhile the music plays in the park, the groups cluster together dancing and then are expected to stand 2 m apart at break time. This is what I cannot fathom.
     
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  12. Corvuscorax

    Corvuscorax Star commenter

    My cousin is dead . He broke social distancing rules twice that I know of. Once 2 weeks ago and once 10 days ago. If he caught it the first time then he spread it the second time. He was fine a week ago and he died yesterday evening. He has left a teenage daughter. She has also broken social distancing at least once, so it is also possible that she gave it to her father, She will never know. She will still be wondering in 20 year, and in 60 years. If he got it from his daughter, then he could have spread it both times he broke social distancing. He was probably wondering who he'd given it to as he died. He was 49. He was a builder. He was fit and healthy except he was a smoker
     
  13. Jonntyboy

    Jonntyboy Lead commenter

    I'm at a bit of a loss.

    You state that you "think we need to get out of lockdown asap and get the economy up and running".

    I state that I "think that if we don't get back to normal very quickly, more people will eventually die because of the restrictions than will die of Covid19. And, sadly, these will be younger people..."

    Then you state that I've made a deeply idiotic post.

    Given that we agree, which bit of my post did you find idiotic, and why?
     
  14. Jonntyboy

    Jonntyboy Lead commenter

    I'm truly sorry for your loss.

    Given the numbers and the extremely low chance of getting this, never mind of dying from it - 0.08% - he was unbelievably unfortunate.
     
  15. Jonntyboy

    Jonntyboy Lead commenter

    It's because we live in the real world, ACO, not the world as people imagine it to be.
    It's also, IMO, because people are realising that this thing will have its way whatever we do, and that we need to ensure that the "cure" is not more dangerous than the actual disease - which it probably is, for >99.9% of the population.
     
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  16. Jonntyboy

    Jonntyboy Lead commenter

    What part of...

    "I think the extreme hysteria about Covid 19 is silly.

    I think that if we don't get back to normal very quickly, more people will eventually die because of the restrictions than will die of Covid19. And, sadly, these will be younger people, not the very elderly and ill who are in many cases in the last few months of their lives anyway."


    ...do you think is incorrect or difficult?
     
  17. peter12171

    peter12171 Star commenter

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  18. sbkrobson

    sbkrobson Star commenter

    My 21 second comment was with reference to the recent reporting on Trudeau's pause when responding to something he fundamentally disagreed with. So there is no one particular part. Just fundamentally.
     
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  19. Jonntyboy

    Jonntyboy Lead commenter

    I haven't a clue where Trudeau comes into it and I know almost nothing about him except that he appears to be some kind of extreme woke liberal who is wrecking Canadian society, but if you fundamentally disagree that if we don't get back to normal very quickly, more people will eventually die because of the restrictions than will die of Covid19 and that, sadly, these will be younger people, then I can only say that I think you are living in a parallel universe.
     
  20. Jonntyboy

    Jonntyboy Lead commenter

    I'm sure they are right. I've said several times that it will have its day whatever we do.

    But the nettle that none of these scientists seems to want, or be able, to grasp is precisely the point I keep making: what level of risk and death to younger people and long-term damage to the fabric of our society are we prepared to accept through social lockdown measures in order to try to protect that small percentage of older and possibly vulnerable people who, when they get the virus, may not recover?

    One answer is to let society go on largely as normal yet to isolate the truly vulnerable and the very old in specific gated communities or areas until the rest of the population has immunity and the virus becomes rare. I expect many wouldn't want that, as I wouldn't, and it should be a free choice, but it is nonetheless one possible, less than ideal, way through this.
     

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