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Why are teachers shown no respect in the modern word?

Discussion in 'Secondary' started by bigpedro, May 27, 2011.

  1. bigpedro

    bigpedro New commenter

    Well, I'm afraid you've nailed it mate. If you become a teacher (and it is just about still worthwhile) be prepared for ridicule all over the place.
     
  2. If I was thinking about being a teacher now, I REALLY wish someone would persuade me not to do it.
    We have no respect because we work ludicrously long hours for peanuts. And we accept verbal and physcial abuse without so much as a whisper of complaint. It's in our job spec that we aren't allowed to make complaints about such behaviour. One student told me so. He told me I was no better than hired help (he meant a cleaner, not that I am dissing cleaners).
    I have a week off next week, but one of those is a Bank Holiday. I have 303 full end of year reports to write. At 15 minutes per report (I am expected to write about 100 words for each and I cannot paste the same stuff), that's 75 hours of work. On my week off. Enough said. I have already written more than 300 full reports this year. Do you really want to do that?
    And then to be told you are failing because your GCSE pass rate is low, because the anal idiots can't be bothered to even turn up for the exam! And now Gove is going to make it easier for a school to sack you.
    Profession? No. Teaching is not a profession.
     
  3. henriette

    henriette New commenter

    Whenever I meet new people and tell them I teach MFL at a secondary school I get gasps of admiration and comments of "I couldn't do that" and "it must be very hard".
    Our Y11s left today and I have been hugged and photiographed to death! Those teenagers are the reason we do it, and I haven't ever (in 20 years) experienced a lack of respect from individual people - I think it is just a media thing.
     
  4. phlogiston

    phlogiston Star commenter

    There's a fair amount of flack in the media - possibly orchestrated to get the public on side against our pensions.
    However, I felt that the world was more hostile in the dark days of the '80s.
    Pupils I think are mostly more appreciative now than in the '80s - but it's very variable.
    P
     
  5. Captain Obvious

    Captain Obvious New commenter

    Teachers are an easy target - We all have them and we all remember teachers we liked and hated in equal measure.
    As school results and education have been expected to churn out quantifiable results, teachers have become the whipping boys and girls for kids failing exams and/or exams getting easier and being the people who have to teach them all the stuff parents should probably play a role in (but you can't measure that, so get the schools to do it).
    Most people I've met don't tend to be negative about teachers (unless they're in year 10). While they can joke about the holidays, they often understand we have a lot of rubbish to deal with every day ("I couldn't do that!"...even said to me this evening ;)).
    I just let it all bounce off. I get some things wrong and I get some things right...I'm trying, not much else you can do. You get the odd group where it all works and you don't want to see them leave, that makes up for the blithering idiots along the way.
     
  6. bigpedro

    bigpedro New commenter

    "I couldn't do that, the kids are so cocky these days".... "yes they are, just remind me, how many do you have now?"
     
  7. <font size="2">I have skin as thick as leather when it comes to dealing with people who don&rsquo;t want to hear they are wrong and think that you crawled out of satins back side.</font> <font size="2"></font>
    <font size="2"></font> <font size="2">My father recently said that while each day you have to "Deal with it" as part of the unwritten job description, the satisfaction you get when a former pupil actually thanks you personally for all the time and work you put in to teach them the subject more then makes up for the other rubbish.</font> <font size="2"></font>
    <font size="2"></font> <font size="2">I suppose its all down to appreciation, I work in the Third Sector atm and we recently had a conversation about Voluntary work, a volunteer feels more valued by doing it for free as they feel there efforts are priceless, while if you just paid them minimum wage, they would feel like they are not appreciated. The greatest payment it seems is to be appreciated for your work, which from what I&rsquo;ve read so far is the main problem, those who are loudest in the public don&rsquo;t seem to appreciate the work done, while those that do, where taught not to shout out, and so are rarely heard.</font> <font size="2"></font>
    <font size="2"></font> <font size="2">On a side note, I may have said I wanted to teach mathematics but at no time did I commit to actually staying in this country! In fact, in recent years I&rsquo;ve been eyeing up other countries (English speaking) that show more respect to the teaching profession. I want to teach because I believe I will enjoy it, I was always told "Only fools Work", and for those who have heard it before, in short it means you should do what you enjoy and want to do; this doesn&rsquo;t include sitting on the sofa or at the pub of course!</font> <font size="2"></font>
    <font size="2"></font> <font size="2">I would like to stay in this country to work as I grew up here, but with all the ridicule I see teachers get, its amazing that all the teachers have not ******** off to places where there skills would be appreciated more, and god knows what will happen if they remove the holidays effectively reducing teachers hourly pay!</font>
     
  8. I think teachers are *** off all the time, and I think there's more set to *** off with the new capability procedures, and yes probably more still if the holidays are taken away. I ******** off to a different career!



    There is a lot of people with opinions on teaching and learning, because, yes, everyone's been through it, so everyone knows what's best. That is a huge problem, and probably contributes to the poor standing teachers have, particularly when a parent disagrees with a professional's opinion on their child's education.



    I think even if you enjoy teaching then it's very probable that the current set up will suck all that enjoyment out of you.
     
  9. How come you're allowed to say ******** and I'm not? :)
     
  10. bigpedro

    bigpedro New commenter

    tips....

    8ugger, 5hit, ***, ar5e, t:ts ***, fukc, and my personal favourite... vvanker
    even TES isnt safe from my tourrettes [​IMG]
     
  11. <font size="2">That&rsquo;s damn cheeky ha-ha, Text-Chat, it&rsquo;s a filters worse nightmare!</font>
    Sorry for all the questions about opinion, but my fianc&eacute;e and I have almost identical views on education and as such I can&rsquo;t get a very broad debate from her! and in the true sence of evolution, I like to see where Ive been before I decide where to go!
     
  12. Star_Teacher

    Star_Teacher New commenter

    I would say that if you are going in to teaching for the right reasons it doesnt matter what other people think. As a teacher your immediate concern is how much learning the students are doing in your lesson. Only then can you consider the opinion of your students and their guardians, these are the opinions you can influence in a positive way by focusing on the the learning in the lesson. In fact if my students are learning and I am influencing their lives in a positive way then in my opinion the media can say what they like because i have proof that they are wrong.

    Aand to rebuke the above statement that teachers
    I have a lot of talent and ambition for science, with a view in my mind to complete a masters course and possibly a phd in physics, but for me at this point in time teaching feels right.

    Also having been through ITT recently, i would say it is very hard not to have a passion for your subject or teaching and become a teacher because you need dedication to stick with it when the times get tough. If that passion isnt there then the training becomes unbearable and most people drop out.
     
  13. Why not become a scientist then, rather than a science student or a science teacher? And then you can teach people based on your experiences of being a scientist as well as your experiences of being a science student.

    Teaching 'feels right' to too many people at the moment. Funny how this always happens in an economic downturn...
     
  14. I found that I lost my enthusiasm for teaching my subject after a number of years. The reason being that I really loved what I had studied and over the years I felt more and more depressed that so few shared my enthusiasm.
    I changed subjects and found my greater detachment made it easier to teach. I don't know if anyone else has found this. Now I have recently retired I spend alot of my time deepening my subject knowledge and enjoying the benefits that flow from my original subject.
     
  15. <font size="1">I would tend to agree. You don&rsquo;t go into teaching for personal glory or a six figure pay package, if that&rsquo;s what you&rsquo;re after you go be a banker. But for most people, it isn&rsquo;t the pay that is the most valued in your job, its the feeling that you are valued. If you go into work every day and are made to feel 3 inches tall and told you have no real skills or contribute to society, you will generally rapidly become that. Just imagine what this country would be like if teachers were as they are portrayed in the news. . . </font><font size="1"> </font><font size="1">In 2 months I have completed a combined course that is meant to be spread over 9 months, due to finish in 9 days. I never commit my time to anything that does not serve a greater purpose, I certainly wouldn&rsquo;t have opted to do 3 hours of English a night for 2 months, on top of full time work and trying to organise funding and accommodation for a PGDE course unless I was damn sure that it was not going to be a stepping stone job.</font><font size="1"> </font><font size="1">Like anyone going into a new career, I am nervous of what it will really be like, the last time I was in a high school classroom I was a pupil and the rest of the class for the most part, wanted to learn (with the odd exception). Im positive I will be a nervous wreck coming up to my first placement simply as it&rsquo;s a lot of responsibility and very different from most other jobs. It&rsquo;s not a deterrent from doing it, on the contrary, I love new challenges and adapting to be the best in what I'm doing. </font><font size="1"> </font><font size="1">In regards to teaching being a-no-other-option career, I have a BSc (Hons) Mathematics and 2 years BEng Mechanical and Electrical Engineering, in terms of career path I have quite a wide scope, but in all my job searching, I have failed to see anything that I wanted to do more then teaching, and unless I&rsquo;m missing something, its unlikely to be for a massive pay check for sitting back with my feet up!</font><font size="1"> </font><font size="1">What sort of scope for secondary teachers is there in terms of finding a job after graduating (again)? I know Primary school teachers have to practically go to war for a position, but I&rsquo;ve heard very little in regards to secondary teachers.</font><font size="1"> </font><font size="1">Not interested in teaching in London, life is short enough as it is!</font><font size="1"> </font><font size="1">Cheers all!</font>
     
  16. Again, this is all very noble, but don't you think that some experience of working life outside education, even just for a few years, would give you a much greater wealth of experience to bring to the table? It may improve your subject specialism, and more crucially, make you a more 'rounded' individual. This has got to be of more benefit to the learners. If, as you imply, you have your pick of highly paid Maths/Engineering jobs in the 'real world', and you are turning your back on them out of some ethical leanings towards helping others, you may be throwing the baby out with the bathwater... you will help others much more from a position of experience as well as education.
     
  17. frymeariver

    frymeariver New commenter

    I'm not sure what your agenda is bachelorofbeats but the words "this is all very noble" sound very dismissive. All you have offered in response to oliver102's obvious enthusiasm for teaching is that most cliched of arguments that teachers have no experience of "the real world". Maybe you could enlighten us with a list of exactly what we would learn from "a few years" of experience outside of education.
     
  18. It's catch 22, you need experience to gain experience.

    It's true for any profession, it would take years in a role before my experience their would make it worth while, I'd rather start something that I would continue for many years. Our life experience comes from more then our work anyway.

    Granted, you get some who do the bare minimum in their job and don't use life experience to enhance anything. But you get that in every profession. But you can't stereo type all of a profession by a few bad ones.

    With a few exceptions, almost every successful individual is where they are because of the education they received. I read an article a few days back, the beginning being... "The primary role of a teacher should not be to teach....." still pondering over if that has some other meaning... Interesting to think of what the future holds if teachers are no longer there to teach!
     
  19. Apologies for the tone, but maybe the lack of honesty in the profession about why most people teach is one of the roots of the original posters problem. Like most jobs, people turn to teaching for money and security, especially in these hard and uncertain economic times. Its frightening coming out of 16+ years of education into a very different environment. But many teachers find that hard to admit for some reason.I'm not having a pop - I just don't like to see this fundamental reason hiding behind some charitable veneer.
    There is a school of thought that most cliches are based in some genuine truth. But even I admit that statement is, in itself, somewhat of a cliche...
    I find the fact that any teacher is seriously asking this question very worrying indeed. It implies that you feel there is NO advantage to any working experience outside of academic life until shown otherwise. And this attitude is exactly the kind of narrow view that does the reputation of teachers no favours with the wider public.
    Teachers need to realise that teaching people how to become students and teachers is a very small part of the cycle of education. We are supposed to be facilitating learning which is of a much wider use to individuals and to the greater society as a whole. Am I really so alone in being a teacher who realises this?
     
  20. Depends what you class as 'education'. If you mean schools, colleges and universities, this is simply not true, and even the most basic bit of research would show you otherwise. Just off the top of my head, try:
    Richard Branson, Mohammed Ali, Paul McCartney, Thomas Edison, Irvine Welsh, John Major...
    They didn't do too badly considering their lack of exposure to paid teachers... and they are just the tip of the iceberg.
     

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