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Who plans for our classes when covered by a HLTA ?

Discussion in 'Primary' started by iamagoodgirl, Mar 7, 2010.

  1. paulie86

    paulie86 New commenter

    Unless in the HLTAs Maths or English group my class are always taught by a qualified teacher who marks and plans the work. If that teacher is not present then a supply will be brought in usually. (who may or may not mark, depending on how good they are!)
  2. inky

    inky Lead commenter

    Yes, but for a whole class?

    I've been involved in some major rucks re PPA on here.
    I do PPA cover and I get no PPA cover of my own. Therefore, I don't plan. I mark, of course, and give feedback to teachers. But I refuse to plan on two grounds:
    1] I get no PPA time of my own and
    2] my regular timetable is subject to last-minute changes when a teacher is ill or on a course or whatever.
    I work in a one-form entry primary school where good will is important. If I'm expected to swap at the last moment [five to nine?] and get no PPA of my own, I'm damned if I'm going to plan as well as deliver and mark.
  3. inky

    inky Lead commenter

    As far as I'm aware, schoold have a choice about this.
  4. inky

    inky Lead commenter

    Sorry for the repeat posts but what really got my goat was being asked to to do success criteria at ten minute' notice. At that point I looked up the paperwork an found that I wasn't obliged to do it.
  5. inky

    inky Lead commenter

  6. At my school we plan for all PPA cover, regardless of who takes it. However I give say, RE and PE or GEO and they have the Medium Term Plan from which they follow. That way it is their subject for the half term and there is no swapping and changing weekly, as I cant be doing that weekly.

    When there is a supply/HLTA that doesnt mark I just write 'supply' and leave unmarked.
  7. What is the point in having work load agreements and PPA policies if people just roll over and do it all anyway.
  8. tafkam

    tafkam Occasional commenter

    inky, please stop spouting this rubbish!
    I have pointed out to you many, many times that your school is breaking the rules here by not offering you PPA. But the contracts are also equally clear that every teacher employed under the STPCD is required to plan for their lessons, and they are not required to plan for lessons they do not teach.
    Schools do not have a choice in this, and yours needs to get its house in order. Of course, you may be happy with the arrangement, but that does not give you the right to force it upon anyone else. Your school is working outside of the rules, this should not be encouraged elsewhere.
  9. teacherflea

    teacherflea New commenter

    Whilst teachers are not required to plan for lessons they do not teach, the class teacher is still responsible for the class's end of year results, perhaps it is for that reason that many teachers want to make sure that they plan for PPA teachers, in order to have the correct things covered for 'their' class in e.g each weekly literacy/numeracy lesson that they are not teaching.
    Are PPA teachers required to go to staff meetings and inset days?
  10. tafkam

    tafkam Occasional commenter

    This is an unfortunate extra challenge for primary schools in arranging and managing PPA. Middle schools - and many primary schools - have tended to follow the route of arranging PPA such that a specialist is employed to teach certain subjects, e.g. music, PE, etc. throughout the school. That allows them to take full responsibility for the curriculum and assessment of that subject, leaving the class teacher to focus on other subjects.
    I cannot for the life of me understand why most primaries don't adopt this model.
  11. greta444

    greta444 New commenter

    There is NO MONEY, ***!
  12. Msz

    Msz Established commenter

    Under the WAMG yes (note 22)
    and you might be interested to note
    Where HLTAs are deployed during the PPA time of teachers they should be provided with
    sufficient time, within their contracted hours, in which to plan and prepare, including opportunities to liaise with class

  13. clawthorpegirl

    clawthorpegirl New commenter

    My PPA is covered by a TA, I set up and leave guided reading for first 15 minutes, then she works from my MTP for RE and Outdoor Games. I don't prepare or set up anything (apart from the GR).
  14. greta444

    greta444 New commenter

    I would never ask a T.A. to cover P.E. for me. Insurance people would have a fit. You're putting them in a very vulnerable situation.
  15. paulie86

    paulie86 New commenter

    I couldn't agree more. My class have ICT, Art, Tech, PE and games taught by specialists. I get my PPA, but also offer my specialism (science) to other classes in return. My school plays to its staff's strengths. When we were a larger school chidlren had a specialist teacher for more extensive list of subjects than this.
  16. inky

    inky Lead commenter

  17. tafkam

    tafkam Occasional commenter

  18. eread1

    eread1 New commenter

    I plan the lesson and my HLTA who covers my PPA does the marking. I wouldn't expect her to plan.
  19. Milgod

    Milgod Established commenter

    I don't understand your 'ha'.

    Please explain.
  20. Teachers aren't supposed to plan for PPA time but that doesn't mean it should be pushed onto an HLTA. This is a management problem and should be dealt with as such (in my school our PPA is covered with sports provision).

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