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Who else is Peed off with not getting any supply because schools have employed 50% more cover supervisors?

Discussion in 'Supply teaching' started by WalkingOnSunshine, Oct 7, 2009.

  1. jubilee

    jubilee Star commenter

    All that needs to happen is for schools to be in budget deficit and the council will tell them that they have to make economies. TLR points will be cut-back (with safeguarding for 3 years, I think, for those who lose them, and staff numbers will be culled. As long as they follow procedures, they can and will make permanent staff redundant.
  2. stupot101

    stupot101 Established commenter

    And then I suppose the Unions will be calling a strike.... (LOL)
  3. podilato

    podilato New commenter

    Your joking aren't you?

    The unions are the ones who enthusiastically let in the 'Trojan Horse' of unqualified staff and it is only a matter of time before they get rid of permanent staff. The whole idea is to destroy teaching as a profession. They want to promote the idea that anyone can do it, therefore things like pay and conditions will be slowly eroded. Blind Freddy could have seen that years ago. Not only did the unions not oppose it, they supported it.
  4. stupot101

    stupot101 Established commenter

    I was joking actually.....

    I can see that the whole idea is to destroy the teaching profession, bur I thought there would be a far more subtle way of doing in it than making it so blatently obvious
    The quote about fighting two wars, hosting the olympics and bailing out the banks is correct. The government are certainly able to fund our education system... the excuses they come up with are a load of B******s. I was out of teaching for a little while for personal reasons, so I didn't really see a lot of this coming.
    The government have made an excellent PR exercise in the media. I have met so many people from difeerent parts os the world who keep saying to me 'I thoght there was a shortage of teachers?' If I had pennies for everytime I've heard that comment.. well you can gues!!

  5. Buttles

    Buttles New commenter


    I do hope you all manage to get some more work soon.

    It is a betrayal of the concept of QTS for the unions, GTC and agencies to have agreed to appoint Cover Supervisors.

    Alas, the decline of the teaching profession has accelerated under the "education, education, education" reforms of the Blair/Brown years.
    Amazing to think teachers vote Labour. Frankly, I would rather vote for the BNP.
  6. stupot101

    stupot101 Established commenter

    Well, perhaps not BNP, but I would certainly look at other political organisation.. Green Party, independant etc... I havn't decided yet soplease 'Dont Shout' ... I hate being shouted at!!!!

  7. vou


    Funny you should say that! But today - as I was having my jobseekers interview at the jobcentre- the very first thing this very nice advisor said after I explained how there wasn't any work out there was, 'I thought they were crying out for teachers'. Yeah right - that why I'm having to sign on and think abt doing clerical work instead of teaching.
    That's what I would have liked to have said but instead I just smiled and shook my head. This isn't the first time I have heard this. We've been stitched up by the government, unions and dare I say it - the schools!!!
  8. Yep I think the whole thing was a bigger thing than just collapsing the supply teachin game.
    1st stratagy, tell the teachers you can have PPA providing you accept unqualified staff
    2nd stratagy tell the teachers you can have Rarely Cover providing you shut up about more unqualified staff.
    Encourage a generalised comparison between unqualifed staff to supply teachers. This was a great move. The Perm teachers just loved it. They could easily distance themselves from the qualified supply staff. It also completely justified grinding our rates down (in their view) as we are not Perm teachers so why on earth should we payed similar rates on supply. Made them feel good and highlighted that teaching is not just standing in front of a classroom full of children teaching them stuff.
    But forgetting that supply teacher, also means Long Term and taking on all the full on stuff as well as standing in front of classes full of children.
    However with loads of PPA and Rarely cover, with the introduction of TLR's the teachers are not in the classrooom as much as they used to be. To get their TLR's they had to produce evidence of management responsibility. As any teacher worth their salt knows providing evidence is the name of the game. So the teacher becomes assistant co-ordinator for this and that, To do this they have to have meetings. They have meetings after school, but sometimes they have meetings which need to be covered. Then if they are really good, they can arrange meetings to tell everyone else what they are achieving, from the previous meeting.
    So the Perm teachers are less in class, they need more lessons to be covered. Hey these teachers are getting just a little expensive.
    I shall be voting Tory to bring some market forces into this teaching game! some messing about with job descriptions and TLR's should save me the tax payer a few bob

  9. Why? Everybody who says it to me gets the full rant, whether I know them or not. They also get told that if I had a pound for every time it has been said to me I wouldn't need to work anyway. If I can't be bothered to go into it they get a "Just because they're crying out for teachers it doesn't mean that there is the money to pay for it".
  10. Pennyforyourthoughts

    Pennyforyourthoughts Occasional commenter

    Just joined the forum to see what is happening in other parts of the country. Here in Devon and Cornwall supply has been over the last few years relatively good even with Cover Supervisors who I have to say were only employed and trained in house by schools to be Cover supervisors. There is no recognised national qualification for Cover Supervisors.
    The latest government declaration is a kick in the 'work pocket' for experienced, qualified supply teachers to be even more marginalised, by allowing schools to employ even more cover supervisors to cover lessons for full time teachers who now have their PPA time safeguarded and to be called upon to do only 'rarely cover'.
    The question I as is WHY ARE AGENCIES<u> ALLOWED </u>TO RECRUIT AND OFFER COVER SUPERVISOR POSITIONS .... there is no recognised qualification for this, schools will not know whether a supply cover supervisor is trained or not or whether they are trained to their schools criteria. Most cover supervisors on AgencY books are likely to have not had a position as a cover supervisor before as these positions are not ones that you tend to SIGN UP WITH AN AGENCY FOR as generally you do not jump from school to school for, or be made unemployed from. So where are the agencies getting them from I have seen adverts saying 'unqualified teachers needed'. What is that all about. You only gain the title of Teacher if you are qualified as a teacher. The title of Teacher should not be used in this context. You wouldn't advertise for an unqualified doctor, dentist or Vet even.
    WHY SHOULD THEY BE ALLOWED TO OFFER COVER SUPERVISORS let alone offer them as <u>SUPPLY</u> COVER SUPERVISORS. Will supply cover supervisors (now it seems on all agencies books) be asked for instead of a supply teacher?
    We are an invisible work force to the government. Perhaps we should all have a <u>SIGN ON DAY AT THE JOB CENTRE </u>(for we cannot strike) in a response to our redundancy. If I do not get any work soon I will have to declare myself unemployed.
    Parents should be more aware that their children could have a high% of their schooling delivered and supervised by unqualified staff and to say that cover supervisors are being employed to be glorified 'bouncers' to keep order is a disgrace. Children generally want to learn ... its our duty as supply teachers (trained to teach) to do that TEACH and if taught well behaviour is secondary to their learning ability.
    It wont be long before there will be no supply teachers to call upon......... we will have all got other jobs.

    The agencies are simply acting on the demand by schools to pay very low rates for someone to stick in front of a class. More and more the cover co-ordinator in school is the senior CS they are the primary negotiator between the school and the agency.
    A senior CS or any CS is a non-teaching post. They are hardly going to be sympathetic to our cause! Their cause is better rates for CS's and avoid supply teaching rates at all costs.

  12. Pennyforyourthoughts

    Pennyforyourthoughts Occasional commenter

    Thanks for this information, come to think of it I have met some who seem to be the organisers of the cover staff but I was not aware that they were the ones who might be the liaison officers with Agencies to get the staff. What a poor way of screening the staff from Agencies.
    I have met some Cover Supervisors who think they are top notch and do attempt to teach the classes even though they are not supposed to. Can anyone tell me what rules cover supervisors adhere to ... eg what are they not allowed to do because that would be deemed to be teaching.
    Most are just so over concerned about getting good behaviour and nothing else (mainly they feel a success if they can control the class (by whatever means). Tetting them to do the work is another ball game all together... are they doing that or are they set simple cover work which is often thrown away later and not of any use to their folders. After all they do not mark the work, they do not know if someone is up to target or not, they do not know everything about every subject they cover in school. But some think they do.

  13. stupot101

    stupot101 Established commenter

    Oh! so we have senior CS now as well..... are they paid more?

  14. Of course. They are up early to co-ordinate cover and are responsibe for managing the cover budget. Some of them haggle the price down because, ultimately, the budget is the measure of their success.
  15. As a parent I want my child taught by qualified staff. I want to know that, should their teacher be absent from school, they are safe and in capable hands. I want to know that they are learning properly. I want to know that the person supervising them is responsible and able to answer their questions. I know that they might not always get a supply teacher who is a subject specialist but with a supply teacher at least I know that he/she is a professional and has training in classroom management and behaviour techniques. I think the education system is hoping that supply teachers will give up hope soon and all become cover supervisers so in turn they save money but still get qualified staff. I find it all extremely worrying. In some schools I have worked in the CS have regular timetabled lessons!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Sorry, but it is completely out of order.
  16. stupot101

    stupot101 Established commenter

    Isn't that sad!!!!

  17. I qualified as a teacher 6 years ago when I was in my mid forties and have worked on supply ever since, both on a long term and short term basis. I have been reading this forum with great interest as last July I decided to jump ship as it were and accept the post of cover supervisor in a local secondary school. Although I feel a certain sense of betrayal in having done this, the comments on this forum have confirmed that I have done the right thing and that I would now have no work if I had remained on supply, or at least nowhere near enough to survive. However I do hope that the coming year sees the whole edifice of cover supervision and the concept of 'cheap teaching' come crashing down and we can go back to how things used to be before Labour dreamt up their ingenious plans for ' education, education, education'.
  18. Pennyforyourthoughts

    Pennyforyourthoughts Occasional commenter

    Of course the Cover supervisor will have timetabled lessons..... they are employed to cover the 10% PPA time and that is the same each week. It is when they do more than the set times for that teacher (or any teacher) that is breaking the government recommendations. Ops forgot they are only recommendations and therefore...............schools can exploit any loopholes to DO WHAT THE HEAD CONSIDERS TO BE APPROPRIATE.
  19. Pennyforyourthoughts

    Pennyforyourthoughts Occasional commenter

    DO THEY ASK YOU TO TEACH THE CLASSES. If so they are exploiting your status and good nature as a qualified teacher and taking advantage of your vulnerable work situation.
    You need to be strong and defend your status.
    Cover supervisor ............ keep to that
    Teaching .......... then speak out and get paid for it or DON'T DO IT AT ALL FOR THEM.

  20. I find that I'm frequently asked to go to a school and work for the day as a cover supervisor. If I agreed, I would be doing exactly the same work that I have been for the last three years, but on a fraction of the pay.
    Not only are schools asking agencies for supply cover supervisors, if there are none available they expect to be sent qualified staff on CS pay. This then becomes a no-brainer for the schools. Why ever ask for a supply teacher, when you can get someone qualified and only pay them as a CS? The schools should be told - no, we have no more CSs, but we can send a qualified teacher at a fair price. If I went into a supermarket and wanted to buy fish sticks, I wouldn't expect to be sold smoked salmon for the same price if they were out of them!
    I'm in a situation right now where I can just about scrape by without work. I'm a single mother with two Aspergers teenagers. Between tax credits, Disability Living Allowance for two of them and what little their father pays in maintenance, I can cover the bills - just. That situation will not last as my son is 16 and I lose his tax credits at the end of August - that's a significant hit.
    Because of my situation, I can't apply for a full time post. I need to be at home when my children are as they cannot be left unsupervised for long. The hours of a full time post would be unworkable. Now I have to try to find a job which has me at home when they are and will pay enough to make up for loss of tax credits later in the year.
    It seems that yet another experienced, enthusiastic and dedicated science teacher will be lost to the state.

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