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Who are we covering these days

Discussion in 'Supply teaching' started by Pennyforyourthoughts, Jan 30, 2012.

  1. Pennyforyourthoughts

    Pennyforyourthoughts Occasional commenter

    I have suspicions that I recently covered a Cover Supervisor's regular time tabled fortnightly lesson in English where he is responsible for a project they are doing. Strange feeling as when I was reporting back it was obvious that he spent the whole lesson in the library. Should I worry??????........... perhaps not....... it did allow me to have a full days pay rather than half a days pay. This is not the first time either.................... If I am for whatever reason not required in the timetabled supply cover lesson, this can happen in a variety of schools .............I am then directed to relieve the Cover Supervisor to give them a free. Again should I worry???????.....at least I am getting work and being put to good use....................................but I cannot help myself thinking..........HOW MANY contact hours do cover supervisors cover? Do they get the nominal 10% free lessons? I know some do ...................but why? What do they do in that time............ ??? anyone know?
     
  2. madenglishgirl

    madenglishgirl New commenter

    I may be able to clear up a few points - or then again, I may not!
    I don't know about other schools, but each of our English classes gets 1 lesson per fortnight in the Library - this is taken by their regular teacher, but in the case you saw, maybe he regularly takes them for their library lesson?
    Again, not knowing about other schools, but if we get a supply teacher in, we get them in for the day - none of this half day malarky. Consequently, if a supply teacher is hanging around not having a lesson to do, then they are invariably sent to relieve one of us CS - simply beacuse the school are paying for their services, so they may as well be working! If a CS is freed up, then that means that we can go along to one of our timetabled support lessons.

     
  3. madenglishgirl

    madenglishgirl New commenter

    I may be able to clear up a few points - or then again, I may not!
    I don't know about other schools, but each of our English classes gets 1 lesson per fortnight in the Library - this is taken by their regular teacher, but in the case you saw, maybe he regularly takes them for their library lesson?
    Again, not knowing about other schools, but if we get a supply teacher in, we get them in for the day - none of this half day malarky. Consequently, if a supply teacher is hanging around not having a lesson to do, then they are invariably sent to relieve one of us CS - simply beacuse the school are paying for their services, so they may as well be working! If a CS is freed up, then that means that we can go along to one of our timetabled support lessons.
    The only time I have ever had timetabled PPA was when I was Instructing. As a CS I have never had any regular 'frees', but have just grabbed them as and when I can. My 'frees' are normally spent doing stuff for my department and all the paperwork that goes with our comprehensive assertive discipline system!
     
  4. jubilee

    jubilee Star commenter

    Back in 2008-09, an early retired HOD used to take blocks of supply teaching at the school where I was getting less and less supply work (from almost full time to about 60 days per year).
    The school had taken on 4 or 5 Cover Supervisors as permanent staff. The CS were often seen in the staffroom chatting during lesson time and were only used when a teacher was out of school.
    The ex-HOD did some calculations and worked out that the school would save money by not having contracted CS and only using higher-paid supply teachers.
    Of course, now, schools have realised that they'll save even more by getting in supply CS instead of teachers.
    I think schools made decisions on employing contract CS without taking into account that those CS would soon start taking sick leave themselves. I have been used on numerous occasions in the last 2 years to cover for the CS who should have been coveing for the absent teacher, but the CS was off sick too! I have been to some schools covering the same absent teacher on the same day each week for several weeks. Meeting the classes timetabled for for that day always explains the absence for me!s
     
  5. I have also been to schools to cover when their cover supervisors are off.

    One day the school will realise that paying for a qualified teacher through an agency to cover an unqualified cover supervisor who is supposed to be covering a qualified teacher, is a waste of money!!

    But until they do ..... I have some work.
     
  6. Pennyforyourthoughts

    Pennyforyourthoughts Occasional commenter

    ........................................................IF YOU READ MY POST CORRECTLY.... you would see that I was taking and teaching his class and HE WAS IN THE LIBRARY with a free.... he did not have the class with him I had them.
     
  7. Just think!
    Now that most secondary schools have some 3/4/5 cover supervisors, all permanently contracted at great "on" costs to the employer e.g. NI, holiday pay etc plus paying out huge agency commissions for employing a cover, cover, cover for the original CS [ literally in some schools]!!!!!!
    What is the TOTAL COST TO THE TAXPAYER (with absolutely no teaching of pupils)!"utterly stupid if not totally hypocritical.Hence the CS role is fake and utterly deceptive and untenable!
     
  8. Pennyforyourthoughts

    Pennyforyourthoughts Occasional commenter

    To put the point straight ...............I was not there on cover for the Cover Supervisor whilst he was away.... I was there on a days Supply but I suspect covered a timetabled lesson that a cover supervisor takes regularly and I believe I was used to give him a free lesson rather than I have the free lesson or go to assist any other teacher. ........................................In reply to another post ............ Yes schools do ask for supply cover supervisors also......... to do a full days work.............. how manic must that be... as some supply cover supervisors have had so little/or no training in schools to be deemed appropriate to use as a supply cover supervisor.
     
  9. les25paul

    les25paul Star commenter

    If I have a day's work at Supply Teacher rates then quite frankly I do not care if I am covering periods for CSs or absent Teachers.
    Neither does my bank account.[​IMG]
     
  10. Pennyforyourthoughts

    Pennyforyourthoughts Occasional commenter

    ..............................................................................................................................................................................................................I confess .........I have to agree with you les25paul .... I would rather have work than none ... but it still poses the question ..... who are we actually covering for sometimes............. as TAs, HTLAs, Cover Supervisors and who knows who else are taking timetabled classes.
     
  11. Surely as a fully qualified, specialist secondary supply teacher you are only CALLED IN TO ACTUALLY <u>TEACH</u> YOUR SUBJECT and not merely hand out worksheets that you cannot answer!????
    I am always paid as a fully qualified, fully registered teacher. No ifs nor buts! It's that simple and respected too by the secondary school I teach in. Are you accepting differential rates of pay? How utterly disrespectful and absurd?
     
  12. jubilee

    jubilee Star commenter

    I'm prepared to be used as a teacher in any subject, not just my specialisms and feel that I am able to explain work and even add extra detail.
    I take the view that if pupils aged 11-16 are deemed capable of the work set, I should be able to cope with it too! Even if the teacher has not left answers to the questions on the worksheet, I can find a textbook and do some quick research for anything that I don't know off the top of my head or can't work out from the information given on the sheet (a rare occurence).
    I've even completed half of a German written coursework piece in a YR 11 lesson and know that it was work perfect even though I don't speak German and have never studied it. Use of a dictionary and textbook meant that I could lift ready-made phrases and compile them to form fluid text. I did it to demonstrate to the lazy, top set pupils who were chatting away and moaning about how hard it was and who had written very little despite having 'worked' on the assignment for several weeks of lessons and homework (pre-Controlled Assessments).
     
  13. les25paul

    les25paul Star commenter

    I think that I didn't make my point clearly. It wasn't that I would work as a CS for Teacher pay any more then I would work as a Teacher for CS pay. It was that whilst employed by a school for the day I'm prepared to cover any lesson they ask me to. It doesn't bother me if the lesson is normally covered by a Classroom Teacher, CS, Instructor, Head of Department or even the Head Teacher him/herself. Its not really my decision, I've been given a job and I will do it without complaint. Since I'm being paid as a Classroom Teacher I will perform it as a Classroom Teacher. That is; I will not try to change the SOW since that is the HOD's role and I will not just hand out worksheets and then sit and look pretty since that is a CS role.
    "Are you accepting differential rates of pay?"
    On occassions I suppose I am since at some schools where I have a good relationship during any frees I get rather then sit in the staff room drinking coffee I offer my services for any other tasks (I get easily bored you see). In the past I have; assisted other teachers with practicals, acted as a TA, marking and filing, helped the department technician sort out equipment and even once helped a CS with a class (and did not burst into flames for doing so).
    "How utterly disrespectful "
    For which the schools are always very grateful and repectful. I often get repeat bookings or good references if asked for.
     
  14. Disgraceful, unacceptable and appalling how an unqualified person can usurp AND UNDERMINE a fully qualified teacher!!!!! How low and morally corrupt can this school and others like it go?
    Have these recruiters no conscience?
    Why do they have to deceive the pupils in this way? WHY?WHY?
     
  15. historygrump

    historygrump Lead commenter Forum guide

    An absolute disgrace and people wonder why we dislike unqualified staff pretending to be teachers. I remember a couple of years ago, a school in between Bury and Bolton, I won't name the awful school, where I saw a CS tell off a teacher in a permanent post in front of his class for having the cheek to use the sports hall to get them use to doing their SATs in the hall. It was then I suspected that they would be a menace to education, we have all ee the post from the CS trolls who say that they are better then teachers because they can teach across the curriculum, what do they think we do.
    I agree with Penny, Pedigree and the others that they are making the English and Welsh educational system, a world wide embarrishment. What is worse after all the emails from the Dept of Education claiming that the use of CS, instructors,HLTA's and TA's to cover and teach lessons was vital due to teacher shortages, that is alos why they are allowing OTT from certain former colonies to come to the UK, be given full QTS and no induction from Sept 2012. Yet in an article on the BBC Education Internet site, the Dept of Education and Michael Gove says there are too many trained secondary teachers and that we do not need that many as the rolls with secondary schools are falling. So don't they ban the use of CS and the other trolls from teaching? Because the truth is, it is about destroying the teaching profession and putting cost before quality, I feel like another rant to the Dept of Education is comming on.
     

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