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Which Country?

Discussion in 'Teaching abroad' started by MathTC, Jun 18, 2019.

  1. MathTC

    MathTC New commenter

    Hi All,

    I’m new here to the forum. I’ve been following for awhile though.

    I have 7 years of teaching experience in Canada. I teach Math, Chemisty and Physics. Most of my career has been in math and math enrichment including AP courses.

    I have been considering taking an LOA to go on an adventure teaching in another country. My wife would be coming along as well as my 18 month old son.

    1. When do the top schools normally start their hiring?
    2. Is it best to apply directly to international schools I want to work at?
    3. Which country would be the best for a family?
    4. My wife is a nurse (not sure if she could get a job in another country).
    5. Would hope to save some money but more interested in travelling and cultural experiences.
    6. I assume most would pay around what I make in Canada or less ($70,000 usd).

    Thank you everyone
     
  2. frogusmaximus

    frogusmaximus Occasional commenter

    Crumbs, how long is a piece of string.

    Follow your dreams.

    I always had a fascination for the Far East and I now work and live . . . in the Far East.

    You have the Science and Maths skills that everyone seeks . . . world is your oyster. Didn't quite make it myself but . . . Japan for me.
     
  3. Ne11y

    Ne11y Occasional commenter

    Agreed, you need to narrow things down a little more.

    Your salary expectations may need to be tempered by cost of living. There are places which will offer less on paper, but when you factor in benefits (housing, insurance etc) plus cost of living, you may find you actually save more.

    A better gauge may be to have a savings expectation (not that you want to save it seems, but it's a useful tool for comparing salaries) and do research based on that.

    For example, I'm getting paid only a little more than in the UK, but am able to put away 10x more in savings. Two other offers I had a year ago had a lot lower savings potentials and, combined with other factors, this helped me choose a destination.
     
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  4. Lana55

    Lana55 New commenter

    1. When do the top schools normally start their hiring?
    January to June for August start.

    2. Is it best to apply directly to international schools I want to work at?
    Not sure if this is the best, but as seen here earlier, people have been successful by using this method. TES jobs is good. Having ready a great looking CV will help to apply quickly for some posts.

    3. Which country would be the best for a family?
    If your wife is not going to work, any country should be good enough. But child care in some countries can be difficult to get.

    4. My wife is a nurse (not sure if she could get a job in another country).
    If she's a nurse, she can easily train herself as a Biology teacher or Science teacher, and find work in schools.

    5. Would hope to save some money but more interested in travelling and cultural experiences.
    You can save more money in Asian countries than in European countries. Have a look at this:
    https://www.worlddata.info/cost-of-living.php
    Travelling makes life perfect! Ask others here, they keep moving from country to country, not country to home.

    6. I assume most would pay around what I make in Canada or less ($70,000 usd).
    70 000 usd is £56 000 gbp pa which is like 4500 £'s per month. I haven't seen a Maths or Science teacher post advertised at this salary. £3500 max is more likely.
     
  5. amysdad

    amysdad Established commenter

    So you're looking at applying in 2019/20 for jobs starting in August / September 2020. You need to be aware that most contracts are a minimum of two years, some three, so you need to be clear that your leave of absence will last that long.

    On salary first, as others have said, you need to look as much at savings potential. There are various websites which will do this. You don't necessarily need the same amount to live on in China as Canada, for example, and though the salaries are good (and as a maths teacher you will get more than many) they might not necessarily meet your current salary.

    In your situation, I would suggest going initially to some of the big agencies - Search Associates, ISS, etc - and registering with them (there will be a cost, as you're in Canada). TES is also a good approach, but if you are genuinely flexible about where you go then Search et al can be the better option. The broader your search, the better the chance of finding something.

    Your wife might well find a job as a school nurse - most have a clinic on site. I'm not sure about retraining as a biology teacher, though it's possible, but a good school will try to find something to help her settle. Also, depending on the city, there may be other options available.

    Have a think over the summer if it's right for you and your family, and good luck if you go for it!
     
  6. the hippo

    the hippo Lead commenter Community helper

    Search Associates are probably the top of the tree when it comes to recruitment agencies, but I have also heard some good things about TIC.
     
  7. dumbbells66

    dumbbells66 Lead commenter

    Recruitment starts in September, not January, and generally will be all but done by february. There will always be some jobs, but you choices will be limited outside of these times.

    Wages can range from amazing to terrible, it depends where you go. It is possible to take home over $100 000 a year as a classroom teacher, but these are not that common. Plus hace the usual benefits on top, like free accomodation, free flights, free school places etc. Canadians are by far the largest group working internationally, they all seem to get along fine.
     
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  8. Mr_Frosty

    Mr_Frosty Occasional commenter

    Regarding point 4 - I know a few teachers here in the UAE who have been married to nurses and they all got a job without too much difficulty and in a couple of cases their salary was significantly higher then a teachers salary.
     
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  9. MathTC

    MathTC New commenter

    Thanks all!
    I realize with limited housing expenses the potential is there to save more while making less.
    Is the UAE the best for a family? I do see some American hospitals where my wife could work.
    If my wife chooses to stay home then I want somewhere where they can explore, etc and get out of the house while I’m at work.
     
  10. Mr_Frosty

    Mr_Frosty Occasional commenter

    I'm not sure I'm well suited to answer because I'm not married, but I don't think anyone else can say where is best for you - different people enjoy different things, some things that don't bother me in my current job and caused colleagues to quit after one term. I enjoy living in the UAE on the whole, it's not perfect but I doubt anywhere would be. There would certainly be things for your wife to do if she didn't work but from former colleagues some of their wives (and husbands) have found it hard to meet people when they've not been working.
     
  11. taiyah

    taiyah Occasional commenter

    Providing your wife is a registered nurse then no issues there. Your salary will drastically depend on where you will realistically land a job. $70k Canadian, I am assuming that gross. With (minimum) 10 years a teacher with no responsibilities in my (not top) school gets that bills and tax free. So it's doable. In my neck of the ME, "local hire" registered nurses are on equivalent to $25-30k Canadian. If she has psychiatric ward experiences then put another $4-5k. If she is a NUM (nurse unit manager) then add another $8-10k.. So the saving opps are there.

    Good luck!
     
  12. MathTC

    MathTC New commenter

    I think I need to narrow my search down to certain countries. Am I best to stay in the ME or SE Asia? How is Malaysia?
     
  13. MathTC

    MathTC New commenter

    Which sites are best for looking at savings potential?
     
  14. dumbbells66

    dumbbells66 Lead commenter

    Search associates
     
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  15. yasf

    yasf Occasional commenter

    1. When do the top schools normally start their hiring?
    September. The height of the recruiting season is probably November to the end of Jan/start of Feb, but there are jobs out there later - especially for your specialism. It seems to start earlier every year.
    2. Is it best to apply directly to international schools I want to work at?
    With your specialism, you might be able to get away with that as a new teacher onto the scene. Otherwise just bite the bullet, sign up with Search, and apply to join one of their bigger job fairs. The biggies are Bangkok, London and Boston/Cambridge Mass. in January. TES is also good.
    3. Which country would be the best for a family?
    It's more about the school than the country - and it also really depends what you want. Usually the higher 'tier' a school, the more family friendly/supportive the wider school community.
    4. My wife is a nurse (not sure if she could get a job in another country).
    I've friends that nurse internationally. Depending on where you go, she may be more employable than you and earn as much if not more.
    5. Would hope to save some money but more interested in travelling and cultural experiences.
    A bit vague - I guess that would count out Saudi.
    6. I assume most would pay around what I make in Canada or less ($70,000 usd).
    International teaching generally works in net salary, rather than gross. As a quick rule of thumb when making comparisons, work out how much you will take home after tax and accommodation. After that, it'll be your own personal circumstances and spending habits that will have the biggest impact - more so than even the cost of living where you live.
     
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  16. MathTC

    MathTC New commenter

    May I ask where you have friends that nurse internationally?
     
  17. yasf

    yasf Occasional commenter

    All over. SE Asia, Middle East, Africa, and of course Europe and Oceania. I think that this is where your wife needs to start doing the research. No one on this forum will be able to give you reliable info. on this.
     

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