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Which countries recognise GTP?

Discussion in 'Trainee and student teachers' started by streetdansa, May 21, 2011.

  1. Hi everyone, really hope you can help me as I have to make a decision on this over the weekend! ...

    I am currently employed as an unqualified PE teacher and have been offered a GTP place for sept. Only problem is I want to teach abroad in the near future. I know GTP is not recognised in Oz and Canada but does anyone know of any other countries that won't accept it? I'm not sure where I want to travel to yet but Thailand, Indonesia, Spain, Greece, India, USA could all be options if they accept GTP.

    I've been told to stay well away from GTP as I want to go abroad but I have a mortgage and can't realistically afford to take a year out to do PGCE plus I may not even get on a course next year as PE is so oversubscribed!

    Is it best to do the GTP anyway and just accept the fact I might only be able to teach in international schools in some countries or would I be mad to do it as once I gain QTS I can't ever to a PGCE.

    It's also worth mentioning that if I don't accept the GTP place my school can't have me back next year as they have no budget - so I'll be out of work.

    The consortium need to know if I'm accepting the place by half term so I only have a few days to sort this out!

    Please help :)
     
  2. The teaching information line might be able to help you
    Teaching Information Line on 0800 389 2500

     
  3. welshwizard

    welshwizard Established commenter Forum guide

    Generally if you have teacher status in one EEC country you should be recognised in another. So if you have UK QTS then ( in theory) you could teach in Europe-However the bulk of opportunities overseas tend to be for experienced teachers. You can supplement the GTP via masters units and gain a postgrad qualification that way.
     
  4. I was told you cannot do anything with GTP to bring it up to the same level as PGCE. As my family and I are looking to move to Oz in the next couple of years, I am resigning from my GTP and re training on a PGCE. Crazy I know but I want to know I have a qualification I can use! I personally haven't had a good experience on the GTP all round. I have young children and I was sent to a school an hours drive away. It has been a nightmare. I wish I had done the PGCE from day one. I've had lots if issues that PGCE students haven't had, purely withe being employed by school. I did the GTP because I thought I couldn't afford to do the PGCE but I would have been better off all round on PGCE. Good luck everyone, which ever route you take.
     
  5. As part of our GTP we're doing some Masters credits, and will (hopefully) be continuing my Masters next year.
    Once you have a Masters it superceeds your PGCE/GTP, and is recognised almost world-wide.
    If you look for work in the private sector, your type of qualification will matter even less. Have a look for British or International Schools....
     

  6. Hi Zimon
    I'm starting a GTP this September and am interested in your comments about a Masters.
    Is this a 'standard' part of a GTP or is it something you added on by agreement with your school? I'd be interested to know what the process was.
    Thanks in advance
    Clive
     
  7. I'm not sure if it's standard, but we're enrolled for 30(?) credits this year, and do 30(?) more next year included as part of our course.
    I think it's up to the training provider....
     
  8. Surely once you have gained QTS and completed your NQT year you are the same as any other teacher PGCE or not? You still have a degree and QTS?
    I am really surprised that this is an issue and will keep an eye on this thread to see how it develops.
     
  9. welshwizard

    welshwizard Established commenter Forum guide

    Surely once you have gained QTS and completed your NQT year you are the same as any other teacher PGCE or not? You still have a degree and QTS?
    I am really surprised that this is an issue and will keep an eye on this thread to see how it develops.
    No unfortunately not The regulations within the EEC mean that QTS in one country should be transferable to another member state however the language issue often causes difficulties and it is not as easy a process as suggested. For example in France teachers are deployed centrally by the Government and are notoriously resistant to Le Anglaise.
    In countries outside of the EEC the issue is very fragmented and Australia, Canada and NZ do not recognise the GTP trainig route. Generally, if you are experienced as a teacher and offer shortage subjects then there are more opportunities for working overseas outside of TEFL of course.
     
  10. I'm not sure on the technicalities of it being accepted, but traditionally a PGCE is in theory not a higher level degree than a Bachelors degree, it is just post-graduate chronologically (i.e. you complete it after your first degree). However many PGCEs now offer masters credits which make them higher-level. A GTP is not an academic qualification, and neither is QTS.
    It is possible to complete 60 credits of Masters modules after your GTP to be awarded a Postgraduate Certificate in Education, and as this is all at Masters level should supercede a traditional PGCE anyway and so I would have thought it would be accepted overseas in the same way a traditional PGCE is - please correct if I am wrong!
     
  11. welshwizard

    welshwizard Established commenter Forum guide

    Overseas acceptance depends very much on the status of the university and if you are planning to go to a country where their initial teacher training is already masters level then they obviously would be looking for equivalent qualifications. The Big However is that there is no universally acceptable world teaching qualification and it depends upon the post and the country.
    In many cases the schools recruiting would look for specific experience of; subjects/age range/ courses and particular specialisms. Many posts require experience of teaching . TEFL is still probably the most direct route to working overseas and capitalises on a native tongue.Many TEFL courses do lead to direct recruitment into language schools.
     
  12. Hi
    Does anyone know how the Masters credits for GTP work? I'm starting mine with WLP in September and would like to know what I can do through the year towards this.
    Clive
     
  13. Hi,

    I'm starting a Science GTP with Stockton-On-Tees Borough Council. With my GTP cource I have to complete certain assignments which then get sent off to a University (Leeds Met I believe). At the end of the year, not only do I become a NQT (hopefully) but I will be awarded a PGCE from Leeds Met without even going there!

    However, I know not all GTP providers offer a PGCE as part of the course but I specifically looked for one that did offer this as a GTP is not commonly recognised abroad but a PGCE is as I didn't want to close any doors at this point. It does mean a few more assignments need to be completed in order to gain the PGCE. Also, by the time the year is up I should have half a masters. I hope this helps to clear things up. The best thing I could advise would be to ring up the authority your school is in and ask if they provide a PGCE along with their GTP course.

    Rich
     
  14. I completed my GTP and got a PGCE thrown in with it. Which was nice.

    Shame I cant get a job for toffee.
     
  15. welshwizard

    welshwizard Established commenter Forum guide

    I assume the problems are to do with availability of induction posts in your local area rather than the combination of GTP and PGCE?
     
  16. This is incorrect information that you were given. There are at least 2 (both of which I've looked into) Universities that provide a "top-up" after you gain QTS that gives you an equivalent to the PGCE. Eg Northampton (go onto their website and go to the search bar and type in GTP, scroll down and voila, GTP top-up to gain your PGCE.)

    I'm sorry if this information has come too late for you... I'd been told similar things as yourself and stumbled upon this quite by accident. And it was only at my GTP interview that I was told the University of Bedfordshire (the Uni that my GTP provider uses but its not through them) also offers a similar course!

    At the time I looked (a year ago) it cost £500 to do, but it is a lot cheaper than the PGCE route.
     
  17. Just to add to the discussion - I got QTS through the GTP eight years ago and have since completed an MSc in Education Leadership. My teaching qualification is still not recognised in Scotland as it is the method of teacher training that is ruled out, not subsequent qualifications. Worth looking at how Australia stand on this. Also, as someone who finds the idea of going back to NQT wages a bit unfair after eight years, if you are going to move there, best to get things sorted as soon as possible!
     

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