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Which Christianity?

Discussion in 'Personal' started by MAGAorMIGA, Oct 21, 2018.

  1. MAGAorMIGA

    MAGAorMIGA Star commenter

    As an atheist non-Christian, I am frankly puzzled by the true nature of the Christian religion. Is it a loving, inclusive, forgiving religion; or an intolerant, aggressive one full of vitriol and hatred? The Trump-supporting Jerry Falwellesque one of the Deep South of the USA looks an awful lot like the latter, but every Christian I know is the former. Why is this?
     
  2. magic surf bus

    magic surf bus Star commenter

    Because they're descended from the religious extremists that Europe booted out in the 16th and 17th centuries?

    Maybe too simplistic a definition, but I'm sure your average extremist could relate to that. :)
     
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  3. nizebaby

    nizebaby Star commenter

    Who exactly do you mean?
     
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  4. magic surf bus

    magic surf bus Star commenter

    The deep south slave state bible bashers, descended from those whose views were too extreme for their home countries in 16th - 17th century Europe so they took to the high seas, headed west and set up plantations. Like I say, a simplistic notion.
     
  5. chelsea2

    chelsea2 Star commenter

    The answer's pretty simple (though really hard to do):
    "Love one another, as I have loved you."
    "Love God with all your heart (etc) and love your neighbour as yourself."
    "God loved the world so much that he gave his only Son...."

    I too - as a Christian (who often fails) - struggle to reconcile this with the beliefs, words and actions of some 'Christians.' :(

    Why do they believe, behave & act as you've described? I wish I knew.
    I don't think it's necessarily to do with being conservative & fundamentalist in their beliefs, because I can think of many Christian churches here in the UK whose members are much more fundamentalist than most 'mainstream' churches - yet they are probably the most pro-active in, for example, helping drug addicts, the homeless, the marginalised, refugees, etc, without condemnation or judgement.
     
  6. Timothy_Blue

    Timothy_Blue Lead commenter

    Well said !
     
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  7. lanokia

    lanokia Star commenter

    Except that most of the Puritanical lot ended up settling in the northern New England states while the southern states were more the domain of aristocratic investors looking to make money off of tobacco, cotton etc.

    What we now consider the liberal enlightened parts of the USA, the north east, are the descendants of those ''bible bashers''.
     
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  8. notrevlim

    notrevlim Established commenter

    I observed as the patient in the bed opposite me was ‘annointed’ With holy oil brought in by members of the Catholic Church he attended. I have no doubt that these people were acting for what they thought was the best, but underneath is a huge exploitative business selling every kind of potion and snake oil.

    It’s not about religion, it’s about profit.
     
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  9. MAGAorMIGA

    MAGAorMIGA Star commenter

    Chris Hedges' book "American Fascists: The Christian Right and the War on America" is a fantastic read about this subject.
     
  10. Dragonlady30

    Dragonlady30 Star commenter

    I think the difference comes from those who live by the spirit and those who live by the letter of the law. I know folks who can quote chapter and verse but have little or no understanding of love and support.

    As I wrote in another thread that I take little or no notice of the rules of the Catholic church as the rule were not written for the benefit of women.
     
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  11. EmanuelShadrack

    EmanuelShadrack Star commenter

    There is no answer we'd understand. It's all part of God's Unfathomable Plan.
     
  12. racroesus

    racroesus Star commenter

    There is only the CoI when discussing Christianity.
     
  13. vinnie24

    vinnie24 Lead commenter

    Because they don't really believe it of course. None of you do.
     
  14. theworm123

    theworm123 Lead commenter

    It’s much easier to define in terms of how ‘moral’ people think they are.
     
  15. Jolly_Roger15

    Jolly_Roger15 Star commenter

    As an atheist, to me religion, especially of the organised variety, is just politics under another name.
     
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  16. hhhh

    hhhh Star commenter

    Couldn't the same be said of any religion? Or any group? Even if you don't believe in a religion, surely you believe in the 'Placebo' effect?
    Some argue it has brought more good than bad. When we stop believing in a god, we don't believe in nothing...
     
  17. numberoneteacher

    numberoneteacher New commenter

    Maybe you should read the Bible to get your answers.
     
  18. notrevlim

    notrevlim Established commenter

    Which one?
     
  19. EmanuelShadrack

    EmanuelShadrack Star commenter

    Presumably you meant Leviticus 20:9

    "For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him."

    I think that answers the original question quite nicely.
     
  20. grumpydogwoman

    grumpydogwoman Star commenter

    There's a Christian congregation to suit most tastes!

    My preference is Anglican. High Church though. Book of Common Prayer. King James Bible. Proper sung psalms with pointing. A proper choir. Robes.

    That's what I was used to as a kid. I was paid to be in the choir! And my village church is pretty fab. Great acoustic. I worked my way up to playing the organ too.

    I was an absolute atheist though. The whole time. But it was something to do in my teens. Got me out of the (hated) house. I love the ritual, the certainty, the fine words.

    My actual belief? Er, Jesus was a good bloke with his heart in the right place and well done him! Also most people do strive to be good. There is perhaps some innate sense of goodness??? Or, at the very least, we must surely have evolved to do better together in strong groups than competing individually for resources so we "ought" to be good. Depends when you ask me really.

    Churchgoers span the usual range of good, bad and merely indifferent.

    [​IMG]
     
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