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Where should we go?

Discussion in 'Teaching overseas' started by ScotLass33, Jan 19, 2018.

  1. ScotLass33

    ScotLass33 New commenter

    Where in Africa are you?
  2. dumbbells66

    dumbbells66 Lead commenter

    Im in Angola. Its not for everyone, but the pay is amazing . There are a number of good paying schools in africa...you just need to look. Its the same all over the world. Look at IB schools, there are a lot more of them, and they seem to provide better packages than british schools.
    Lets put it this way, if you added up the value of my package and added it to my salary, my monthly package amount here comes close to my yearly salary when i was in Spain.
  3. ScotLass33

    ScotLass33 New commenter

    I suppose whatever the salary, the cost of living as compared to that salary is what will determine ability to save.
  4. tigi

    tigi Occasional commenter

    For your situation you can't just really focus on one country or area, you'll need to take each school/package/place as it comes. If your OH doesn't teach you may struggle to coin it in the same way as you would with both teaching but equally you might save enough to buy the dream home and move back. You might not want to though
  5. dumbbells66

    dumbbells66 Lead commenter

    My total monthly outgoings are about $200. The school pretty much pays for eveeything. But you are right, you need to consider the benefits to outgoings anywhere you go. I always use numbeo.com, its proven very accurate in my experience. You also need to find out what the school pays for. Once you avoid western europe, you will be amazed at what some schools will provide.
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  6. ScotLass33

    ScotLass33 New commenter

    Yes I have been looking at jobs advertised now all over the world. The packages seem great in many cases and I now know what to look for. I know we need free schooling for our daughter, medical, annual flights and accommodation/ allowance. I am finding it difficult to find actual salaries though as most ads just say 'competitive'.

    I need to get a search account set up but I don't have a cv done yet. Don't have the time to do one during term time so will get that sorted during Easter holidays.
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  7. amysdad

    amysdad Established commenter

    @ScotLass33 - The thing about the pollution levels in Beijing is it does vary. For example, today (as I type) the Air Quality Index (AQI) is 85 - anything less than 100 is seen as good. However in my school the AQI is 2. I'm not going to hide that it will affect you with asthma etc, but it's one of those "balance" things, I guess!

    Looking back at your original list - Singapore is really competitive to get into and also hugely expensive to live, so you'd probably not save much there. Egypt (where we went first) is much easier to get into, the cost of living is low but so are the salaries and it would be more difficult for your husband to get a job (though not impossible - there are some big companies like Vodafone there who occasionally look for fluent English speakers.)

    You are right in saying that the packages would usually include free schooling - watch for this though, as there are some schools which only give 50% of the fees and if you are a single teacher that can actually take up quite a lot of your salary. You would be a relatively expensive hire, with a trailing spouse and child, so some schools will not look at you simply because of that.

    One last thing - guessing by your user name, do you currently teach in Scotland? If so, you could consider a career break to dip your toe in the water, so to speak.
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  8. ScotLass33

    ScotLass33 New commenter

    Yes I have thought about the career break option. It's up to 2 years isn't it? I think I would probably do that initially as I don't know of any reason not to. My hope would be to stay away longer but it's a nice safety net
  9. the hippo

    the hippo Lead commenter Community helper

    ScotLass33, the hassle and the expense of getting an international teaching job should not be underestimated. As well as the disruption to your own teaching career, you should consider the very real possibility that your husband might become unemployed. Therefore the idea of popping overseas for a year or two is not really workable.

    Why not just go for a foreign holiday, if you want a change of scenery? The financial benefits of being overseas (being "non-resident for the purposes of taxation") only become relevant if you stay away longer. If you are already thinking of coming back, then would it not be much easier not to go in the first place?

    Wow! I have just written a post on the TES website without mentioning Bulgaria or my blog...
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  10. ScotLass33

    ScotLass33 New commenter

    We have no intention of returning after 2 years. It's more of a 10 year plan. I was just stating that the fact we are offered career breaks in Scotland could be a bit of a safety net in case it all goes horribly wrong. If course I hope that that would not be the case. I have looked into this a bit more and they can actually run for up to 5 years. My husband would also be able to apply to do the same thing.

    Thank you for your email. It was very helpful although I do think we have come away a bit from the idea of the ME (Not entirely discounted). I would love to hear your thoughts on places in Asia. I think we are more keen on Malaysia, Vietnam, Taiwan etc.

    Keeping the options open though.
  11. amysdad

    amysdad Established commenter

    @ScotLass33 we (or more correctly, my wife) took the career break when we first moved abroad. I think it's a good option when you have kids, as it gives you an element of security when you move abroad in that if the kids don't like it, you know that you have a job to go back to in Scotland if you need to. We knew pretty quickly that, although we wouldn't be staying where we were, we had no intention of going back though! Speak to your head though - you need to do it with their support, and, although it technically says that you can't undertake other employment while on the break, plenty teachers have done it before so there's a lot of precedent.
  12. amysdad

    amysdad Established commenter

    Far east might be better though. I've heard more of stories here of trailing spouses being found jobs by the school in their area of expertise - eg if they are IT specialists, they are found something in the IT department, etc. although these tend to be on "local" contracts. Worth asking once you get to any interview stage!
  13. ejclibrarian

    ejclibrarian Established commenter Community helper

    @ScotLass33 - I hope the info on Taiwan was useful.
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  14. the hippo

    the hippo Lead commenter Community helper

    I did not mean to offend, ScotLass33. I was just playing the part of the advocatus Diaboli. Yes, it is possible to return to the UK after a stint abroad, but whether this really will work for you might be a bit uncertain. Sometimes international teaching is a bit of a Pandora's Box, so you cannot put everything back how it used to be.

    Again without wishing to offend, I have known several female colleagues whose marriages have fallen apart after a move overseas. Here in China, quite a few Chinese young ladies would like to get themselves a foreign husband - even if he happens to be already married to someone else.
  15. agbak

    agbak New commenter

    Brexit,not happening!!!:eek::eek::eek:
  16. ScotLass33

    ScotLass33 New commenter

    Yes! Thank you it was very helpful. Taiwan is definitely in our list.

    We are not ruling out the ME. When we first started thinking about this we were all about Dubai! It's just that now we have a much better idea of what's out there and the possibilities. We have broadened our expectations.

    Hippo, you didn't offend me at all. I'm all for questioning motives. Yes we would love the 'adventure' aspect and we could get that by having an extended holiday. That's not our primary motivation though My partner could run off with someone else here in the UK if he was so inclined. I suppose that's one of those risks you take in any relationship anywhere in the world. I believe he would not do that. But then you never know!
  17. Ne11y

    Ne11y New commenter

    I've sent you a private message.
  18. Bentley89

    Bentley89 New commenter

    Does your husband hold a degree? UAE and surrounding countries such as Kuwait, Oman, Bahrain, Qatar etc CAN (but often don't in the good schools) offer teaching roles to non-QTS holders. An example of this in a previous school is an ex-civil servant taught art and an ex-janitor taught primary DT, both without QTS.

    It is worth asking the schools directly when applying/interviewing. But be warned, the good schools are almost certain to not offer this.
  19. rickpat

    rickpat New commenter

    I agree that TEFL is not as bad an idea as some have suggested. However, tefling without a degree is a bit more challenging.

    Pretty sure that a degree is needed for Thailand to get a work permit and no work rights for spouses.

    Lotsa people working in Vietnam without proper quals/ on wrong visa. Not suggesting, just saying.

    Cambodia, well yeah, anything goes, but not sure i'd recommend Cambo for first time Asia types... Homework required there i think.

    Egypt. Possible, altho again more reputable employers will want a degree. That said, theres not exactly fierce competition for esl jobs in Egypt. The British Council waves the usual 2yrs experience requirement for example and schools might even overlook a lack of degree if having recruitment hassles.

    I believe that Singapore n HK allow dependants to work so you could look into that.

    I'd recommend a well recognised brand rather than an online or mickey mouse 'tefl'. CELTA or Trinity TESOL are gold standard. Less reputable employers probably wont care or kno the difference, but if theres to b any hope of trading up in that line it's the way to go.

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