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Where do I stand/advice needed

Discussion in 'Workplace dilemmas' started by thefutureisalreadyhere, Sep 8, 2018.

  1. thefutureisalreadyhere

    thefutureisalreadyhere New commenter

    Ok so bare with me as this is a complex situation. Basically, last week I started working for a school that I had previously worked for 4 years ago. After verbally accepting the job, I did not receive an offer letter or contract, I did receive a letter stating that I was the 'preferred candidate' along with my salary and other details. I started last week and still never received a formal offer letter or contract. I haven't signed anything, although obviously verbally accepted the job after interview. Since starting it is clear that the job is not what I expected and I am struggling to cope (anxiety/depression). Where would I stand on terms of giving notice? Im going to get in touch with my union next week. Thank you for any advice.
  2. Lara mfl 05

    Lara mfl 05 Star commenter

    Just because you haven't yet received and signed a 'formal contract' yet doesn't mean to say one isn't in effect. By turning up for work, in legal terms that can count as 'acceptance . A 'verbal contract' is as binding in law as a written one. Most 'new' teachers won't yet have received their contracts yet either. Often end of Sept is the earliest and some don't come through till well into October.

    As to 'terms' of notice', even if you're not yet in possession of your contract yet to check, you should have a booklet where the School's terms and conditions are set out- on periods of notice, holidays , grievance etc. Ask at the Office if you can't find yours.
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  3. foxtail3

    foxtail3 Star commenter

    You don’t say whether the school is an academy or LA, which may make a difference. But @Lara mfl 05 is right. You have started work so will be deemed to have accepted the terms of employment.

    You need to find out whether the usual notice periods apply - October 31st, April 30th, May 31st. Academy notice periods may be different.

    You don’t say what is different about the job from what you expected, but there is usually a phrase such as ‘any other duties as required by the Headteacher’.
  4. grumpydogwoman

    grumpydogwoman Star commenter

    I don't think I have had a "contract" (i.e. piece of paper) in 30+ years of teaching. But that doesn't mean I didn't have a contract. You too have entered into a contractual relationship. You turn up and work and they put you on their payroll and pay you and have you down as an employee for PAYE and NI and all that jazz.

    You're in. You're under contract.

    You can give in notice by the end of October and finish the end of December. Unless you work in an indie or one of the MATs. It might just be different. Maybe.

    Sorry. It's not complex at all. It's simple. It's not right for you and you'll either adapt or leave in due course. In the meantime your ill-health may gain the upper hand and you may need to see the GP.

  5. caterpillartobutterfly

    caterpillartobutterfly Star commenter

    Your employment seems totally normal, certainly every state school I worked in has been the same.

    I would also say that judging a job after a week is a very bad idea. Of course it's a nightmare, it's new and therefore difficult. Give it time.

    If you feel the same by October, then hand your notice in.
  6. harsh-but-fair

    harsh-but-fair Star commenter

    Which bit do I have to bare?
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  7. A_Million_Posts

    A_Million_Posts Star commenter

    Best check with your contract if you're not sure.
  8. harsh-but-fair

    harsh-but-fair Star commenter

    I thought I had to match the OP?
  9. sabrinakat

    sabrinakat Star commenter

    Your very soul? ;)
    yodaami2, steely1 and pepper5 like this.
  10. Bedlam3

    Bedlam3 Star commenter

    You have you have anxiety and depression after one week in the job. Really?
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  11. ScienceGuy

    ScienceGuy Established commenter

    I suspect that the OP has had these in the past and therefore recognises the symptoms starting again.
  12. thefutureisalreadyhere

    thefutureisalreadyhere New commenter

    Thank you to those of you that have responded with compassion and information. I have suffered with anxiety and depression ever since I started teaching 6 years ago and have always just tried to keep calm and carry on. Beginning a new job has triggered an episode and I feel as though I cannot function.

    @Bedlam3 I found your comment unhelpful and judgemental.

    I have now spoken with my head and am going to the doctor tomorrow.
  13. Bedlam3

    Bedlam3 Star commenter

    I apologise @thefutureisalreadyhere I took your post to mean it had just developed since the new job.
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  14. thefutureisalreadyhere

    thefutureisalreadyhere New commenter

    Thank you @Bedlam3 i guess I should have been clearer in my original message. Finding it hard to string a sentence together at the moment!

    Having spoken with my husband I have decided to resign, regardless of what the notice period is. I know it’s soon into the term but I think I’ve been a teacher for long enough to make that judgement. I feel as though I’ve realised it’s not the school that is the problem - it’s the job that is the problem. I am not suited to the job because it exacerbates my mental health problems. I will be leaving teaching for good.
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  15. Lara mfl 05

    Lara mfl 05 Star commenter

    Sad to hear that, but as you rightly say your own mental health is your immediate priority.
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  16. grumpydogwoman

    grumpydogwoman Star commenter

    Good for you. You did the right thing i.e. talked it over with your husband AND you're not a novice so you do know what the job entails. You're not just a new-starter having a bit of a melt-down when exposed to the true arduousness of the job.

    Best wishes.
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  17. thefutureisalreadyhere

    thefutureisalreadyhere New commenter

    Thank you @grumpydogwoman and @Lara mfl 05. I guess teaching is a profession where prioritising yourself doesn't come naturally but I am now going to try and do so.

    I hope that my head may agree an early release of contract but I guess Ill just have to wait and see. My doctor has suggested being signed off but I will have to see how things go.

    I can't believe my career is ending like this and feel as though I am grieving for the profession that has broken me.
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  18. Lara mfl 05

    Lara mfl 05 Star commenter

    Although my situation was slightly different I felt very much the same thing. Still grieving now for what is happening in education.:(:(
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  19. grumpydogwoman

    grumpydogwoman Star commenter

    Teachers do need to be a lot more hard-headed and there's no shame in that.

    Whom can you look after if you can't look after yourself? There are 1,001 reasons to struggle. I once saw some stupid ad for people to go into teaching. Something about being a superhero.

    No, no, no. Superheroes are pretty thin on the ground. We'd be up sheet creek if we relied on THEM. We need well-balanced individuals who can go home and spend time with their family and friends and have a laugh! Who eat well and take exercise and are physically and mentally fit.

    And we need to adapt the job so the demands of the role mean that you can do all those things. Socialise, have hobbies, keep fit, keep up to date with current affairs.
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  20. Bedlam3

    Bedlam3 Star commenter

    I am in a similar situation which is why I reacted the way I did to your original post. I have been off for sometime and will not be able to return and like you this will also end my teaching career. I am not resigning though. I will wait for my employer to dismiss me although my situation is different to yours as I have been at the school for 10 years and I feel it was the heads behaviour which caused my stress and anxiety. Please think very carefully before resigning and speak to your Union first. There is no rush to resign. Take the sick leave and give yourself space to think.

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