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Where can I find a list of tasks that are considered TLR roles?

Discussion in 'Workplace dilemmas' started by thefootballwitch, Oct 4, 2018.

  1. thefootballwitch

    thefootballwitch New commenter

    Like many of you, I am feeling that I am being asked to do more and more - and I want to be able to say No to some tasks that I have just been given, but I want something to back up my arguments. (I have been asked/told that I am now responsible for year 9 re-tests - so anyone that doesn't get the required score has to do a retest. This is across the whole year group, not just the class that I teach - I have to write the re-test, get it copied, chase up the students required and run the retest in my lunchtime; and will happen 7-8 times throughout the year.) I don't have any TLR and am not on UPS. Surely this is a TLR responsibility?
  2. marlin

    marlin Star commenter

  3. Pomza

    Pomza Star commenter

    Doesn’t sound like a TLR role to me.

    They can’t make you do work in your actual lunch break though. (Not to be confused with the school’s timetabled lunch time.)
  4. caterpillartobutterfly

    caterpillartobutterfly Star commenter

    Not on it's own it isn't. Sorting out a retest isn't managing or leading other staff, therefore won't carry a TLR.

    I'd be hassling staff to write simple tests in the first place to ensure everyone passes and then I'd not have to write a retest and faff about getting kids to fail that one as well!
  5. thefootballwitch

    thefootballwitch New commenter

    Thanks. I assumed that if it was for the whole year group, then the TLR holders should be responsible for it - but if not, then I'll just go with the lunchtime argument.
  6. SCAW12

    SCAW12 Occasional commenter

    If the individual teacher's students fail, shouldn't the individual teachers be supervising the resits? Can't you take it in turns? So you only have to do a couple? Share the workload?
  7. flyingcircusfreak

    flyingcircusfreak New commenter

    Sounds sensible to me. You could be instructed to do this for your students, but presumably if you’re doing Year 9s, somebody else is doing it for other year groups, so you don’t have to do those ones?
    Pomza likes this.
  8. varcolac

    varcolac Occasional commenter

    7-8 times a year?

    Whoever's setting your subject's assessment calendar doesn't deserve that TLR.
    mothorchid and Pomza like this.
  9. install

    install Star commenter

    I would have thought someone with a tlr role for school testing or for the year group results would lead on this and have you as support. You are administering the tests and retests.

    But the writing of the re-test sounds like a tlr may be needed if that also includes a mark and answer scheme.

    Who marks the tests? Do you have a team of people under you?
    Last edited: Oct 5, 2018
  10. Rott Weiler

    Rott Weiler Star commenter Forum guide

    That's an admin task that should be done by someone else.
  11. ScienceGuy

    ScienceGuy Established commenter

    Whilst this task is not one that would attract a TLR in any school I have worked in, it would be a suitable target / responsibility for a member of staff who is on UPS. As the OP is not on UPS, I would not think that it is necessarily an appropriate target. That said, if you are considering applying for TLR posts in the future, it is a task which would give you plenty of experience of assessment and management.
  12. Sundaytrekker

    Sundaytrekker Star commenter

    Suitable for UPS or anyone needing experience to quote for a cute UPS application.
  13. Sundaytrekker

    Sundaytrekker Star commenter

    *new UPS application
  14. Piranha

    Piranha Star commenter

    It is another of those things that seems rather unreasonable, but is allowed. I did something like this as part of my 2nd in department TLR. Apart from running the retest, it doesn't even count as directed time.

    By the way, at least as far as STPCD is concerned, your lunchtime only needs to be of 'reasonable' length, so whether they can try to direct you during the students' lunchtime depends on whether you can still get this reasonable break.

    Not according to STPCD. For a start, it does not meet e) involves leading, developing and enhancing the teaching practice of other staff. Schools may give a time limited TLR3, but they don't have to.
  15. frustum

    frustum Star commenter

    It's very difficult to say what's fair without seeing the whole picture in your department. If there are five of you, and each is taking responsibility for re-tests in one year group, it might be absolutely equitable and a more efficient way to share the workload than each teacher doing re-tests for their classes. There might be a better way - for instance, if someone is writing the tests, then writing the re-test at the same time might be a good idea, and maybe the running of the tests can be merged with other years' re-tests or departmental detention, or if anyone has a timetabled lunchtime A-level lesson, stick them in that room.
    Much also depends on the size of the department. I worked in a large department, with several TLRs - although everyone bar NQTs had some task that was their responsibility - much smaller in the case of non-TLR holders, and often something that didn't fit particularly with TLRs (eg corridor display). I also worked in a small department - three teachers - until I arrived, the HoD did virtually everything, as the others were NQT/non-specialist; once there was someone else capable, it made sense to share the load a little.
  16. binaryhex

    binaryhex Lead commenter

    They are perfectly entitled to ask, and you are perfectly entitled to say no.

    Definitely not in lunchtime, break time or after school, that should be the main argument, but in normal class time seems like a reasonable request, if a tad stupid, as it takes away teaching time. I would make very sure you clearly and forcefully put your foot down on this, or they will keep adding to your tasks. Do not cooperate and say no.
  17. Piranha

    Piranha Star commenter

    Lunchtime is complicated, but they can certainly direct you after school if you are within the directed time limit. In many schools, break time is included in directed hours regardless of whether you are directed or not (which is why schools can insist that you do not leave the premises) so it could be then. But not (under STPCD) in PPA time.
  18. sbkrobson

    sbkrobson Star commenter

    OP-I looked at your profile.
    It's the core subject blues, isn't it?
    I was listening on the news the other day to some parents who were fed up with Maths, Science and English being king,taking curricular time,being repeatedly assessed. It's all so imperative, how they tell you to wrest achievement, assess, push higher, add some interventions, differentiate moreways, extra teach, scrabble together as many timetabled slots as possible.
    It's a curse which doesn't breathe that much assessment fire on, say, Art or Languages, or Business Studies.
    Yet out of the three Core subjects, you do have it easiest in terms of throwing together resources and assessments. It's not the variable beast of English, or the shifting spectrum of Science. It's Maths.
    (speaking from experience)
    In fact, you know what?
    Get your HoD onto this. It is their job to help you.
    Or if you are HoD yourself, stride forcefully into the finance office, and tell them "I want to do these assessments as per request, and I am going to need some input to buy assessment packs. They will be good for subsequent years. They will be (lower your voice and whisper) grade boosting"

    Don't worry about a better salary, worry about getting others to do their job.
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