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Where are all the maths teachers?

Discussion in 'Mathematics' started by Elfrune, Dec 1, 2015.

  1. Maths_Shed

    Maths_Shed Occasional commenter

    TLR's have been used as recruitment incentives for far too long. With pay scales effectively scrapped schools now have the freedom to pay at whatever rate they see fit, my guess is that before so long some schools will be offering a premium in basic salary for shortage subjects.
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  2. Karvol

    Karvol Occasional commenter

    Well you clearly know what the answer is. No-one with the experience that you are after is going to be wanting to share their accommodation. Unless you can pay enough so that the job itself becomes viable, then you will not get the staff.

    Rather than hoping that someone joins your school for the love of teaching and doesn't worry too much about the salary (rather unrealistic, in my opinion), increase the salary so that you get the person you want. If you genuinely cannot, then get realistic.

    As the phrase goes, stop having champagne dreams on a beer budget (I know it sounds awful, but it is more or less what you are doing).
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  3. Elfrune

    Elfrune New commenter

    Is it just me - or have a lot more teachers (more than the normal retirement age ones x about 20) just left the profession (in the last month) - certainly seems that way looking at many schools around me at the moment - many of the maths departments in my area of the country next year next year will be topped up with temporary staff from agencies. I shudder for the future teaching of mathematics in my area of the country.
  4. DHoD07

    DHoD07 New commenter

    You can't put students first
    If you put teachers last!

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  5. Aisha633

    Aisha633 New commenter

  6. davidmu

    davidmu Occasional commenter

    I am pleased that this topic has been updated. Only yesterday I heard of a newly appointed HOD who was immediately looking around for additional Mathematics teachers for his new school. It appears that the previous HOD had been totally exhausted trying to teach in a market town comprehensive with only a band of supply teachers. I am now retired but I am still interested in the current situation as my grandchildren are approaching secondary age. Is it likely that I will need to teach them GCSE and A level at home?
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  7. Deirds

    Deirds Senior commenter

    Yes, probably. I have done Supply in schools where a senior Maths teacher was a Humanities specialist with GCSE Maths.

    Some schools count GCSE Statistics as the Maths GCSE qualification. (For all I know Statistics is a valid Maths qualification but it does seem to be a narrow focus.)
  8. Elfrune

    Elfrune New commenter

    In my opinion (and thanks to the huge number of responses to my original thread) the situation has not improved since my first writing in 2015. However, my situation has changed for the better - I have gone from being a HoD unable to find mathematics teachers (and starting to go a little do-lally in the head) to a very content Leading Practitioner of Mathematics - a lot happier. Thank goodness I am not the one responsible for having to locate the maths teachers for the department any more - I can get back to the classroom doing what I love and helping other staff develop.
  9. Boardingmaster

    Boardingmaster Occasional commenter

    Currently around 1000 maths jobs on TES alone, good to know we’re so employable!
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  10. Nazard

    Nazard New commenter

    I don't think they can be counting GCSE Statistics as the Maths GCSE qualification. GCSE Stats can't fill the 'Maths bucket' of Progress 8 (though it can count in the 'open bucket'). Any school that doesn't do GCSE Maths is going to have an awful Progress 8 figure (because Maths is double-weighted).
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  11. Deirds

    Deirds Senior commenter

    Thanks for the clarification. Could it count towards the pupils not having to do Functional Skills in Sixth Form if they get a poor GCSE Maths grade?

    Maybe I haven't read the Year 9 timetable correctly...only do odd days in that school.
  12. Nazard

    Nazard New commenter

    Not sure - but I would think not. I would guess that schools which do GCSE Statistics either have it as a free option, or as an after-school additional option, or decide to put the whole year-group in for it, figuring that there is lots of overlap with GCSE Maths (I'm not convinced that's a good plan!).
  13. donrickles

    donrickles New commenter

    Hello all

    After 20years teaching Technology and Engineering I have moved to maths. This has meant retraining and working on maternity / supply. At first I was shocked by how much students dislike maths. Engineering bought me into maths. I must admit the lack of real world application does not help the subject at times.

    Anyhow when maths teachers find I’m retrained and not originally a maths teacher I’m not fully sure I’m fully accepted, nothing said, just a feeling.

    On daily supply staff are just glad to have a maths teacher. On longer gigs the scrutiny starts to kick in. Maths can be taught in many ways however some MAT have a system you can’t deviate from. I can’t see how this improves maths teaching.

    I enjoy going off on tangents and deeper exploration. I try to make the maths relevant and interesting and doable. On supply I have more freedoms to experiment. I go unnoticed. Soon I will be ready to move to a perm job.

    My only worry is the level of scrutiny that at times is self defeating. The number of maths teachers off with stress I cover for is large. I can see why. some of the classes I pick up are horrible. For example 33 in Y8 set 2 is a tough gig. Large with few able to do maths. Also filled with set 3 4 behaviour issue kids. Set 1 Ks3 are quite enjoyable. The lower sets at ks3 really take a lot of energy and effort to move small distances. ks5 is a breeze likewise top ks4 sets.

    My point is maths now has so much curriculum time but has not reinvented itself. Some kids are bored to death with over maths teaching, others switched off. Teaching tech was easier, smaller class sizes and the kids actually seemed interested. However in order to improve retainment maths departments must ensure the load is carried evenly. Seems Hod take the easy classes the top sets and leave the harder classes to others , who then ultimately go off ill and then left to supply which can be cover supervisors.

    Just my thoughts.

    Mr warmth.
  14. bombaysapphire

    bombaysapphire Star commenter

    In my experience the majority of students enjoy their maths lessons. Our school is fully staffed with experienced subject specialists though.
  15. Deirds

    Deirds Senior commenter

    Thanks for the clarifications. I think you may be right about getting whole year group to do it because of the overlap.
  16. BillyBobJoe

    BillyBobJoe Lead commenter

    When I was at school the top set did it in year 10 prior to maths in year 11. I presume to stop us twiddling our thumbs for 6 months.
  17. swampyjo

    swampyjo New commenter

    My school recently had a well known teacher INSET presenter, who is a teacher 4 days per week. His school is just outside London Fringe. He told me that they had a real problem recruiting for maths and as a result were paying one teacher £66,000 with no extra responsibilities.
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  18. MathMan1

    MathMan1 New commenter

    That's not just outside the fringe but beyond the fringe!

    Looks like I need to relocate to there once qualified.
  19. Elfrune

    Elfrune New commenter

    Oh to be just beyond the fringe - 66000 a year would sort out my shortfall nicely :(
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