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When is extra curricular too much?

Discussion in 'Physical education' started by miss_chocolate, Feb 18, 2011.

  1. Hi,
    I'm an NQT, working in PE at a Sports College. Our department had 12full time teachers, and we are all expected to run a club on 4 nights of the week! If we cancel a club to go for an appointment or something similar, we are frowned upon - massively. The clubs are supposed to run for an hour and twenty mins after school, but I find it hard to keep certain clubs going this long. If we finish the clubs early, we are assumed to be slacking off.
    Obviously 14 x 4 = 56 clubs a week, so we find ourselves running obscure (and very poorly attended) clubs such as roller blading (!), fencing, all-year round tennis and so on.
    I absolutely love running netball and hockey club, which are well attended and have a focus in repsect to fixtures and tournaments, but find the other clubs tedious and a huge waste of my time! As an NQT I expected my first year to be about teaching and learning - but all my spare time goes on running clubs, taking registers for them!
    My questions are:
    Is extra-curricular compulsory?
    Is 4 clubs a week too much?
    Can I simply say 'no' to my HOD regarding certain clubs?
    Help and advice much appreciated :)
     
  2. Hi,
    I'm an NQT, working in PE at a Sports College. Our department had 12full time teachers, and we are all expected to run a club on 4 nights of the week! If we cancel a club to go for an appointment or something similar, we are frowned upon - massively. The clubs are supposed to run for an hour and twenty mins after school, but I find it hard to keep certain clubs going this long. If we finish the clubs early, we are assumed to be slacking off.
    Obviously 14 x 4 = 56 clubs a week, so we find ourselves running obscure (and very poorly attended) clubs such as roller blading (!), fencing, all-year round tennis and so on.
    I absolutely love running netball and hockey club, which are well attended and have a focus in repsect to fixtures and tournaments, but find the other clubs tedious and a huge waste of my time! As an NQT I expected my first year to be about teaching and learning - but all my spare time goes on running clubs, taking registers for them!
    My questions are:
    Is extra-curricular compulsory?
    Is 4 clubs a week too much?
    Can I simply say 'no' to my HOD regarding certain clubs?
    Help and advice much appreciated :)
     
  3. Depends on your contract, other contact hours etc. A department of 12 full time PE teachers sounds a little insane - or is your school HUGE?
    As above!
    It would probably help to have an alternative to offer.
    You say you offer fencing... mix and match it with swimming and running or cycling and offer it all as a Triathlon Club - even explain that if you add shooting and horse riding that it is almost the Modern Pentathlon, something to think about if anyone also has a horse!
    You could even then get together with A N Other dept like Business Studies and offer Triathlon comps in your area, designed and run by students as a Young Enterprise style undertaking - different and possibly more fulfilling!

    I can only assume that your HoD/HT has an obligation to provide lots of sports because of school status or a grant or something similar.




     
  4. gogojonny

    gogojonny New commenter

    What are the other staff in school expected to do?
    In my NQT year I was told that I had to offer a club. I told them fine, but are you saying the same to the other NQTs? The response I got was that they didn't need to do clubs as classroom teachers but since PE staff don't have to mark books they are expected to do more clubs.
    This made me furious. All staff should contribute to clubs.
    I do a lot of clubs but some a very easy to run. Some of them I just let them play, I supervise and will coach on request. Standards have gone through the roof - amazing what happens when you just let them get on with it. All they need is someone to open up, set up and supervise. This is something non specialist staff can easily do, but hide behind the whole 'we have lots of work' excuse.
     
  5. stopwatch

    stopwatch Occasional commenter

    I don't think 4 afternoons is particularly onorous. An average of 3 afternoons per week, per term would be more reasonable, particularly with 12 staff.
    Someboody else asked - 12 staff! thats a massive dept! how come - are you a HUGE school? so what is the answer?
    Insisisting they are 1hr 20 minutes each, and insisisting they still go ahead with 2 or 3 pupils is unreasonable. It is not a good use of your time, or the money which is paid out on your salary.
    I would negotiate a different arrangement. How about offering a weekend tournament or a couple of longer twilight session in one of the popular sports in lieu of one afternoon a week. At least you would feel like your time is being used properly.
    Yes you can say NO to yuor HoD, but this might backfire on you when applying for your next job, or for promotion at your current school.
    With all of these types of things I would advise:
    <ol>[*]Think clearly about what it is exactly which you find unacceptable AND why[*]Write this down coherently (not as a written b1tching sesion but as a rational document).[*]Include reasons why you think it is a waste of resources (ie your time)[*]Think of reasonable alternatives.</ol>Present these initially to your HoD, ,and if you get nowhere, go to the next person up the food chain.
     
  6. I'm a Head of Department and I understand that my staff have many different responsibilities across school so 4 nights a week to me would be over the top especially when you consider meetings, parents evenings and staff training.
    We also have a rule that there must be at least 10 pupils present to run the club. If they don't turn up, it's not run as they are obviously not interested in it, extra-curricular is a 2 way street. Two weeks of less than 10 pupils means the club stops.
    I also don't buy the non-Pe staff saying we have too much marking, i have shed-loads of marking!! Plus how full is the car park after your hour and 20 minutes club? all staff still there marking?
    Also extra-curricular is not (usually) part of your contract so yes, you can say no. Just try not to say no to everything!!
     
  7. Oh! Oh dear! Enforced PE, great idea! But that doesn't necessarily mean extra curricular is necessray - obviously if your uptake is so low!
    And 200 in sixth form might add to the burden, but that could be just Wednesday afternoons to enable competitions with other colleges, so again no extra curricular really necessary!

    It does seem odd and again I wonder if your school has received a grant/status for sport and so needs to show so much opportunity!
    Good luck!

     
  8. I share your feelings about enforced PE - our HOD announced on Wednesday that as of next year, Y8 and Y9 will study a PE BTEC and Y10-11 will study GCSE PE. I'm waiting with baited breath to see how this folds out. I don't have anything to do with 6th form, only 3 teachers in the department teach A-level PE (total of 19 students across the two years).
    Our school gets all the usual money for being a sports college, but we also receive a fair amount of money in sponsership - we're from quite an affluent area and lots of businesses seem to throw money at the school.
    A record 6 pupils turned up to roller blading last night!!
    Time for form time!

     
  9. gogojonny

    gogojonny New commenter

    It's all about pushing grades up.
    Lets face it many schools have worked out GCSE PE is an easy pass, and many have seen they can do the same with BTEC and get more points on the scale.
    So let me get this right - if there are 2 lessons of PE a week in Y8 and Y9, are both lessons going to be BTEC? If one lesson going to be theory and one practical?
    I actually don't have a problem with making PE a bit more theory based but not at the expense of practical PE. If there was one 'BTEC' session and one extended games session then that would be OK.
    I still can't see why in this country we can't put extra-curricular into lesson time. Tues 1-3pm - Games afternoon for Y9, all practices, some fixtures etc.
     
  10. Whereas I, who gets them for A Levels, really really want them to do and enjoy the theory - otherwise it's just games!
    Not that I am saying that being proficient or even good at a sport is bad, although I wouldn't say it should always be the focus of school PE. Just don't give them a certificate if they don't do the science!
    That idea of PE as an easy pass comes with them to FE - and they are usually absolutely shocked and dismayed at the scientific content of the A Level. I am always in danger of taking a child's joy away as many start off looking forward to AS PE and suddenly find themselves in a strange world of science and they drop the subject as soon as possible - even those who profess to want to do a sports degree and work in the industry!
     
  11. I completely agree!! The same applies to GCSE as well as learning about healthy, active lifestyles is not what the school cricket captain wants to do. My school has just gone to BTEC for both KS4&5 as we can choose the modules. We then choose a 50-50 split between practical modules and more theoretical ones.
    Not that i would advocate introducing the BTEC in Year 8 - CRAZY!!
     
  12. gogojonny

    gogojonny New commenter

    I can see a worrying trend.
    The kids don't get PE time in primary schools - staff are too scared / not competent enough to lead groups outside or in the hall.
    The kids get to secondary school where there is a wide scope of ability and they spend their first year learning basic skills they should have done at primary school.
    Then in Year 8 instead of doing physical activity they are put through a BTEC.
    In Year 10 then can they do GCSE PE or settle for their 1 lesson a week of PE - which is 'play a game of football by yourself'.
    Anyone who wants to play a sport will have to do extra-curricular. Why can't this be done within lessons? So departments have to run BTEC and GCSE, and then run around doing numerous clubs.
    As said I don't mind a BTEC style course in Y8 but it must be linked to a physical games afternoon. i.e. Tuesday afternoon is rugby practice, on Thurs morning we doing a fitness session for rugby which if I complete all the lessons I'll get a certificate etc.
     
  13. gogojonny

    gogojonny New commenter

    How many cricket games do you play in a season?
    I think the school cricket captain would like to play games instead of sitting in a classroom. I'm sure the rest of the team, plus those that want to play but don't get a look in because staff are too constrained worrying about BTEC / GCSE to run B,C and D teams, would agree also.
     

  14. Would youm run a badminton club for 8 students who were keen, becuase IMO you should.
    Pe teacher who dont committ to ECA should get out of the job.
     
  15. stopwatch

    stopwatch Occasional commenter

    What about PE teachers who can't spell or use punctuation?
    (By the way I agree with both of your statements)
     
  16. gogojonny

    gogojonny New commenter

    That goes for any teacher.
    There's a wealth of science and maths teachers out there who are more than capable of managing a B,C or D football team.
     
  17. The bulk of ECA might not be sport! In which case, no it's not up to PE to supply the bulk of staff.
    Stoppers. What was it again? Skipping and glass painting.
     
  18. When I was a PE teacher, many years ago, we had loads of staff who hepled run school teams and extra curricular activities. We had a maths teacher, an English teacher and a science teacher who very competently managed football teams, a science teacher who managed a rugby team to mention a few. My dad was an English teacher but also played hockey for the east of England, he managed the hockey treams.
     
  19. Those days nare long gone im afraid. so it falls upon the PE department to run ECA sport......
     
  20. Just my expereince over the last few years being in different schools. It is clear that ECA is an add on, if it happens...great..if it doesnt well there are more important things to worry about.

     

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