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Discussion in 'Book club' started by Phoenixchild, Sep 8, 2010.
Nixxy, sticking firmly to my guns on this!xx
You don't have to: you can download books directly onto your Kindle without having to have a computer. Have you discovered this yet? Go to Menu on the home screen and click on "Shop in Kindle shop"
I can't imagine why. Someone has just emailed me 20 books in Spanish And while I can only lend a paper book to one person at a time and have to wait till they have read it to get it back and read it again, I can share a good ebook with as many people as I like at the same time - and still keep it for myself, too!
Well, I don't.
Well, mine has been going for over 3 weeks now and I read several hours every day.
Yeah. I just don't always feel like getting dressed, going downstairs, getting into the car and going to a Waterstones where I can leaf through a book in my coat, on my feet while people are swirling around in the neon light and muzak comes from the loudspeakers every time I'd like to nose around in what' new on the book market. And sometimes Waterstones isn't open, like on Sunday at 8 p.m., and in any case, I like to grab a free sample of a book in my jim-jams with a cup of coffee in my hand, and not in Waterstones.
. Yeah, well, books tend to be texts - and as for the carrier, well, what matters to me is the content. I suppose then that audiobooks aren't books for you either. In which case shoud you, G-d forbid, become blind any time in your life, you would be cut off from books forever. And how about Braille? Would that be a "real" book for you?
Great for you. I prefer to have them free. I also like to share them free. And spend the money on other things
Bah! I downloaded a free sample of 'Starter for Ten' on my Kindle and promptly bought the electronic book.
Only to find that if I'd been a wee bit more savvy (and patient!) and ordered the paperback version, I'd have saved a few quid.
I know it's swings and roundabouts, because there are loads of free books available, but I do think it's a bit off that a Kindle book can be so much dearer than a 'real' book.
My Kindle really came into its own this week!
I was in hospital on Monday - tooth out under GA - and then spent the night with mum.
With my Kindle I had the German and English newspapers loaded before leaving for hospital, plus a couple of hundred books to choose from to entertain me during the hours of waiting at hospital.
When I left home and went to Mum's I used the Kindle to check my e-mail (didn't answer any - too much pfaff with the tiny keyboard!), and again enjoyed plenty of choice of reading material.
The alternative would have been carting around a pile of books and my laptop! The Kindle was definitely the best choice!
Fair enough again, as I say, the ones I want to read are not free and I couldn't share them if I bought them in e book form.xx
The only book I have paid for so far is a dictionary. And I read <u>contemporary</u> literature in both English and Spanish
Well, I don't pay for them. And "owning" a book on paper does nothing for me. (I actually don't think you can own a book. The only person who owns a book is the author - and only before publishing it.
TES users on this forum in the Kindle Club?
Well, if you WILL NOT, you WILL NOT As for me, only a minority of my books come from Amazon and the rest I can share freely. I have a collection of links in my "Favourites" and when I want something, I just run a search. But, as I've already said, it all boils down to this: Scenario A: spend 10 minutes online and get the book free; Scenario B: get dressed, go out to Waterstones during the opening hourse and get it for hard-earned ££. I know which one I prefer.
Phoenixchild, if the battery in your Kindle went flat within 24 hours, then it was obviously faulty, so I suppose you returned it immediately and got a replacement...?
So have I but you have changed the topic. ;-) We were talking about <u>how to browse novelties free</u>. You said you went to Waterstones and did it there. I said I did it in the comfort of my home. What we have at home is an entirely different topic.
Why would they be pointless? In Waterstones you can't read the whole book either...
Unless, of course, you have someone who will pass them on to you... just like you would do with a paper book
OK, now I've got to go and look for some books by Brian Freeman. My physiotherapist said this morning that he liked his books so much that he'd bought the latest one (The Bone House, he showed it to me) in hardback (not yet out in paperpack, apparently). So I'll just have a nose-around on the net to see if it can be the latest addition to my Kindle...
Lol, we won't agree will we?! I suppose I mean that I can't share books with friends and family, when I read a book I know exactly which of them would enjoy it and can't wait to pass a good read on. I can't do that with e-books because they don't own a kindle or similar.
I won't read samples from my home (in a real book they sometimes put a sample of a new book at the back) because if I enjoy it I want to be able to continue to read the rest of the book immediately. I can't do that if it's a real book because, as you say, I would have to get to the shops or wait for Amazon delivery. I won't do it from a kindle because I would still have to wait to get to the shops or wait for delivery of a real book because I WON'T pay for a book that I can't hold and pass on when finished with..........back to not being able to share the books with my friends and family. And if I really love it I want to keep it and have it sit on my bookshelf, you can't do that with an e-book.xx
I love my Kindle! But I also love books. I see them as two different passions.
I am a keen visitor to my library. They have a wonderful selection of books, including an amazing foreign language section. They have also managed to get hold of a couple of out-of-print text books I wanted for reference....They have also moved with the times, as I would expect. I can not only borrow books but also DVDs, CDs, Nintendo games....and shock horror, e-books are available for borrowing too!
For Christmas I was given a 'proper' book - there was a real joy in curling up with the new book and a mug of cocoa.
I was also given a book downloaded onto my Kindle....again a real joy to curl up with - it's an old book that I have looked for over many years. Second hand book-shops don't seem able to find this title, Waterstones and Smiths certainly don't (it's been out of print for decades)...I have finally been able to sit and enjoy it on my Kindle....In the unlikely event that I find a 'real' copy of the title, I will buy that too (price permitting!).
Being enamoured of my Kindle does not mean I want to abandon 'real' books, and I will fight to keep out local library open....I just love to read, and the Kindle opens up a whole new selection of affordable books for me.
No. But that's OK, this is not about us agreeing. You asked what my preferences were and I said that for fiction I preferred ebooks and I explained that they were cheaper (free), quicker and more comfortable.
The fact that your friends and family don't own a Kindle isn't the fault of ebooks. My family and friends do own Kindles; when I read a good book, I know which of my siblings or friends will enjoy it and I pass it on. Sometimes I pass it on before I have even finished it so we can read it together and discuss it step-by-step
Which is when you click on "Download" and the book arrives in 40 secs. Does that classify as "immediately"?
Btw: an example from this weekend: I discovered on Saturday that I can download The New Yorker free via Calibre. The New Yorker is a high-brow and expensive literary-lifestyle magazine, rather expensive in the U.S. $5.99 and even more expensive here. In the most recent issue I discovered a great article about a book called "The Battle Hymn of the Tiger Mother", which is about a Chinese mother educating her two daughters, it's the new craze in the US and is the 4th on Amazon's best seller list. I became interested in the book, found it on Amazon for £8.99 , spent some more time on the internet and found it for free. By Sunday evening I read about one-third of it. Without the Kindle I would have never seen the article in the New Yorker (since I don't pay >£6 for it in WH Smith) and I would have missed out on a great book! Glad I haven't
Btw., the article is here: http://tinyurl.com/4oy6634
After many months of googling, researching, listening to others, I have finally ordered a sony e-reader. The thing that tipped the scale for me is that our local library here in Oz is now allowing downloads on to a sony so I will be able to access library books from wherever I happen to be. I will never stop buying 'real' books but see this as an adjunct to reading especially for travelling, going to the hairdresser, doctor's etc when I cannot abide the silly magazines most of them go in for. If it turns out to be not as good as I hope, $200 is not a fortune lost.
No, because it's not a proper book, I want to read a real book.xx
I love my 'real' books, but my CYbook Gen is also great. OH bought it for me 2 years ago and I love the way I can download a book really quickly (and cheaply). If forced to choose... well, the jury's out on that one!
Well, you all know which side I am on!
Yesterday evening after a full day of teaching (am doing voluntary work at present, teaching Primary), I finally got to sit down with my Kindle and the free (thanks to Calibre) newspapers. One of them had an interview with the author of this book:
I was intrigued, downloaded a sample from Amazon, read and was hooked, downloaded the whole book. Went to bed late . . . Getting the book immediately was a BIG plus. Being able to sample before buying was another BIG BIG plus.
Yes, I know that this is an example of an e-book that costs more than the paperbook. But the effoirt involked in getting out of the house and trudging to a bookshop (if one were open still at that time) makes up for it.
It is the only book that I have bought that costs more in the electronic version, and I have saved so much money from free books and freee newspapers that i can afford to spend extra from time to time.
I've still e-mailed Amazon to complain, mind you!
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Well, I think generally "a book" is considered identical with its contents. I suppose this is why, for example, you can't buy a book, read it onto a tape and then sell it as an audiobook - it would be an infringement of copyright, because you would be selling the same book, albeit in an audio format. Likewise when I read a book, what I mean is "getting acquainted with its contents". It is the experience of the contents that matter. If the book is remarkable, I will remember it for years - I mean I will remember the contents, the story, etc. Whether it was an ebook, on paper or an audiobook is completely irrelevant, because the book is actually independent of these.
Definitions of book on the Web:
written work or composition that has been published (printed on pages
bound together); "I am reading a good book on economics" [/LIST]True I can remember contents of stories, but they are not books unless they have bound together pages.xx
"They are not books unless they have bound together pages"
Then you would presumably be happy to curl up with the phone book! it has bound together pages!!
I on the otherhand am interested in the story - he difference between a good book and say... the phone book. So I will use my e-reader.
I bought it second hand at the local charity book shop - thus benefitting them.
I have 100+ books on and paid for less than 10.
It fits in my handbag so I can take it everywhere.
It made it possible for me to visit NYC at half term with only carry-on as I didn't need to pack 3 novels!
Also - I currently live overseas and don't really want to build up a library of great books that I have to pay someone to ship home, so this dramatically reduces the changes of that but I still get to keep the great books.
True, it doesn't have the smell of a real book (whatever that is! I don't know what people mean by this but then my sense of smell is weak anyway) but once you get gripped by the story - how it feels or smells is secondary anyway - what you have is a great story - format is irrelevant to that.
But each to their own.
My 84 year old Gran finds books too heavy to hold for long now so listens to audio-books.
I am devoted to my Reader.
You like paper books.
I think this shows that it is the story which is the main thing.
OK. So I buy a book in Waterstones, scan it in and sell it as an ebook. Since it is not a "book", I am not infringing any copyright and therefore can get quickly rich. Is this what you are saying, Phoenix? Can I send the police to you when they crack down on my great business, telling them you have said the things I'm selling are "not books" because they don't have "pages bound together"?
P.S.: Also: "on the web" is not a source. I have a website and whatever I put on it is "on the web". So if I put "electronic books are books to a greater extent than paper books", that's going to be "on the web", so it's true, isn't it? ;-)
One can still choose what one wants to read as a paper book, but there, there, if you feel you've made a point then good for you, I am content to agree to disagree.xx
If the police came knocking at my door about that then I would have to assume that all crime had ceased for them to have nothing better to do. And ok, having gone to a book to find the definition of book I find it says...."set of printed or written sheets bound together at one edge with cover..."
I like my real books, you like text stored in a gadget, such is life.xx