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Discussion in 'Personal' started by Kat Harwood, Sep 28, 2003.
PS My not getting jobs was well established before this forum was ever devised.
And while we're at it, melboyden has it occurred to you that I might be mentioning my MA and education prize so much as a way of holding on to what precious little self esteem I still have?
Try having as many knock backs in your career as I have had and see how you'd feel. But I don't think you care, do you?
A friend of mine went for an interview, and was walked through the full dining hall with the other candidates. The HT loudly addressed the kids (primary) asking, "Who shall I give the job to? Who's got the nicest legs?" It wasn't her, and yes, the nicest legs got the job! Definitely his loss.
My worst interview was for a DH and I never got it, despite there being just 2 of us! I found out half way through interview that the HT had asked the other candidate to apply, and then found out in feedback from the AIS that she had been interviewed 2 days earlier at another school, with all the same tasks!
Why do they bother advertising?!
Well I am sorry of course. I meant that post merely as a way of pointing out other possible reasons? I was under the impression that you had not had a permanent job for very long and had done supply in between. I may be wrong but I feel that it is supply teachers who see the very worst part of education. I am unable to get a job in teaching because of a splat on my criminal record. I don't care anymore as I have a good job in mortgages starting next september but am doing supply for financial reasons and I don't know how you take to it. I simply thought that perhaps there was something in you being easy to recognise (which you have mentioned previously as not wanting to happen!) and not getting jobs.
Anyway, didn't want to cause distress, so sorry. Really.
from the other side of the desk...all things being equal at the short-listing stage (as they should be if schools follow the person spec.)When I've appointed to my department, it's because I feel I can work *with* the other teacher. So it can come down to personality/character and that's hard to explain.
A good friend of mine is becoming increasingly depressed about finding jobs after being told that she's "too clever to be a success" - she has a first from Cambridge and a PhD as well...
I was feeling exceptionally touchy last night melboyden. Thanks for the apology.
I haven't had a straightforward career mainly owing to the fact that I qualified at a time when it was very hard indeed to get permanent work in the North of England (late 70's early 80's).
I've had two permanent jobs - one which just wasn't right and I shouldn't have accepted and the other I resigned from three years ago because of ill health.
I agree that supply teachers see the very worst part of education and it does get hard not to take it personally and begin to believe that you are as thick and useless as some of the kids say.It certainly is no way to live and I am trying very hard to get out of it.
But at 50 it does become hard to get another job of any sort. I am no longer trying to get teaching jobs because I know that cheaper NQT's will be appointed.
Elaine, iit possible that your poor health record is affecting your employment? (Although that doesn't explain why they short list you in the first place). I doubt that I'd get another post if I ever left my present job (just as well I like my school).
There is an old adage that goes, "The internal candidate gets the job." To how many interviews have we all been at which we were shown around by the internal candidate, who has been working at the school for some time. The whole thing being a farce, and the result a forgone conclusion?
The worst example which I have heard of that has been for a deputy head post.
From memory I think there had been 26 applicants. The Shortlisting Committee however just invited one applicant to be interviewed, The internal candidate.
I wished that I could have seen the letters sent out to the unsuccessful applicants.
I am sure that they wouldnt have been accurate and truthful letters.
I'm not sure about whether my health record has affected my job search success joli, as even when I had good health I couldn't seem to ever land a job I really wanted. The two permanent jobs I did get were when I had though just prior to going in to be interviewed that I didn't really want them and therefore totally relaxed.
I felt almost destroyed about 18 months ago when I didn't get a job in a public school where I was employed temporarily and (so I was told) successfully. I think my health record was an issue there especially as I had a hypoglyaemic attack when I was on boarding duty one evening. But I had told them honestly about my diabetes and received medical clearance by their doctor. Of course they couldn't say they weren't appointing me because of my health but I thought that was at the bottom of it and I would have preferred it if they had said that rather than shillyshallying.
In many ways Equal Opps. legislation has made things harder because there's so much disguise of the real reaons for not getting a job going on. I would feel better if someone were to be honest with me so that I would know not to bother in the future.
I discussed this thread with a friend last night who's also had similar problems to my own in getting a permanent satisfactory job, qualifying as I did in the late 70's/early80's.
She said the only time she got what she felt was an honest response as to why she hadn't got one job was from one of the school governors who she met a few weeks later. "To be honest," he opined," we felt that your voice is a little too refined for our kids. They'd think you were posh and you'd have trouble."
Like me she is an educated Mancunian who's often been mocked by the truly "posh" for her Northern vowels. She pointed out and I have to agree with her that the majority of teachers in the West Yorks schools where we have both worked have recognisable Yorkshire accents.
Too late for both of us now as we're 50 &55 but we had a good laugh speculating on whether if we had known this prejudice existed before we might have gone on Learn To Speak Yorkshire courses.
Aaargh - I have exactly the same problem, Elaine!
Mancunians think I speak posh and southerners think I speak northern (except in Thetford, when they think a Manchester accent is posh...).
Bloddy English accents!
I have never had the nerve to ask for feedback - what a coward eh!
Well I've had the following:
1) Too chatty
2) Too quiet
3) Too relaxed
4) Too tense
5) Too anecdotal
6) Using too much terminology
But, and this takes the biscuit!!!!!!!
I went for a job which I did not get and then the school that did not employ me asked whether I would be able to help the teacher they appointed because the teacher was having trouble teaching the syllabus as they had never taught it before!!!!
Needless to say, and this was very unprofessional of me I said "I have two words to say, and the second one is off. If they wanted me to do the job they should have employed me!!!!"
Cheer up. I'm the internal candidate, but that means that I already know that I'm not going to get the job, being specialist in the wrong half subject required. I have decided to withdraw my application.
I'm a bit concerned about the 'politics' of this decision, but I don't like wasting time and resources.
did some supply in a difficult school in Leicester, junior, in the early 80s. They then advertised the post permanently. I was interviewed but the gave the job to a female NQT.
She lasted three days and they called me back to take over on supply. I should have told them where to go but I preferred them to be embarrassed and they were - 'How wrong can you be - we thought a woman would be better for the boys'' This was pre EOA - how times have changed.
Yes, pharoah your story definitely get the Cheeky Bas&ards of the Century Award.
I was once phoned and asked to do the job I hadn't got the term before at a place where I'd ben working when the successful and "more dynamic" candidate worked there one week and then had a term off with a nervous breakdown. It really felt good telling them that I had another job.
Not so much a case of feedback, but a few years ago I seem to remember going for an interview for a long term supply post. I arrived at the school a little before the time of the appointment and was put in what looked like a storage cupboard to wait. Two hours later I was still waiting, so I politely went to ask if there was a problem. Turned out that they had forgotten all about me!
Eventually the agency got back to me and on principle I told them that there was no way I was going to provide my services to that school.
It makes you wonder doesn't it?
Some of you might remember that I unsuccessfully applied for a job in the Library Services in March. I have recently heard informally that while I make a very strong application on paper when I interviewed I seemed "tired and defeated". I can see the truth in this but the tiredness and defeatedness is coming from teaching and the stress of temporary and long term supply work.
I know that I go into interviews convinced I won't get the job which must communicate itself. Any ideas for how I can stop projecting myself like this? I know it's a hard one!