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What would YOU do, Superteach?

Discussion in 'Personal' started by Mullam, Dec 4, 2015.

  1. Mullam

    Mullam Occasional commenter

  2. 576

    576 Established commenter

    Ms Warley said: 'It's a basic human right to use the toilet. Instead, she had to wee herself in front of the whole class.

    Well I would show the mother a copy of the UNDHR which doesn't say this.

    I'm not saying the teacher was right - but I'm sick of people crying 'human rights' when they clearly don't know what their human rights are - same goes for the mother of the daughter with leopard print haircut who was crying human rights.
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  3. cuteinpuce

    cuteinpuce Star commenter

    We've only heard one side of this story so I wouldn't comment on it in particular. But denying someone the use of a toilet so that they are forced to wet themselves in front of their peers strikes me as "degrading treatment" (Article 5).
    aspensquiver likes this.
  4. Didactylos4

    Didactylos4 Star commenter

    I'm not going to get into the discussion about "rights"
    I just don't believe any child of that age should be unable to use toilet facilities when needed regardless of school rules
  5. racroesus

    racroesus Star commenter

    Bad enough wetting yourself because of a stupid rule, but imagine it becoming public knowledge across the country.
  6. lanokia

    lanokia Star commenter

    School I worked in, SLT use to stop kids who'd be let out of lessons for the bathroom and ask which teacher they'd come from. That teacher was then spoken too.

    I'd not be surprised if it turned out the teacher had received a ballicking or two and wasn't running the risk of SLT.
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  7. lanokia

    lanokia Star commenter

    Got very confused there... turns out there are two threads...

    What @racroesus said... every time someone googles this girls name, say for a job in 15 years time, this story will come up...
    Mathsteach2, Dragonlady30 and Yoda- like this.
  8. TCSC47

    TCSC47 Star commenter

    I'd not thought of this, but it is clearly a cause for concern. Are we learning to deal with the "information" age or are we making a mess of it?

    On the matter in hand, I think it is dreadful that any student is denied to go to the loo during class, let alone a six year old.
    anotherauntsally likes this.
  9. Flere-Imsaho

    Flere-Imsaho Star commenter

    I don't understand why you wouldn't let pupils go to the toilet, especially at that age.
  10. phlogiston

    phlogiston Star commenter

    In secondary the "need" to go to the lesson is often an avoidance of learning tactic, or a chance to ease the nicotine withdrawal symptoms..
    In year 1,, it's more complicated - smaller bladders, less control. I suspect there's much more to it than was in the article. My daughter sometimes got so engrossed in activities, she'd forget to ask to go!
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  11. Yoda-

    Yoda- Lead commenter

    Who knows what instructions the teacher could have had in the past about letting pupils go to the toilet. I can be rather dammed if you do or dammed if you don't. SLT taking either side depending on what's easiest for them.

    In some schools if you let one go the others all want to go in turn, other wise they all complain. Hence a blanket ban on the toilet in lesson time. Though there's no suggestion of that here.

    Glad at least that the parent was denied access to the teacher. By all means an investigation seems appropriate as long as it is not a witch hunt.
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  12. lanokia

    lanokia Star commenter

    I know of a student who need the bathroom in the middle of a GCSE exam. He was denied.

    Wet himself in the exam.
  13. Yoda-

    Yoda- Lead commenter

    A stream of pupils wanted the toilet in a mock exam after one was escorted to the toilet. When the pattern became apparent it was stopped.
  14. Mangleworzle

    Mangleworzle Star commenter

    6 year old wees herself - this is national news!

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  15. aspensquiver

    aspensquiver Star commenter

    That's all very well. The point is someone in genuine need such as the kid Lanokia mentioned, is denied too.
  16. irs1054

    irs1054 Star commenter

    This has always been a thorny issue in schools and some kids do certainly play up to this.

    The problem for the Year 1 teacher is that there is a safeguarding issue with allowing such a young kid out on their own so, to a large extent, they are damned if they do and damned if they don't.

    I do think that teachers should be allowed a degree of professional judgement in this. If a child is clearly in distress then the teacher should have some freedom.
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  17. racroesus

    racroesus Star commenter

    Yup. This teacher told them that he would not subject the child to the humiliation or himself to the parental abuse.
  18. racroesus

    racroesus Star commenter

    I think that might be against JQC rules for exams.
    In my day the script had to be annotated at the points where the candidate left and returned with the times.
  19. cissy3

    cissy3 Star commenter

    Typical 'Daily Mail' let's bash a teacher article.

    I would like to hear more before getting het up about this issue.
  20. Lascarina

    Lascarina Star commenter

    Mother making a mountain out of a molehill.

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