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what will the government announce tonight?

Discussion in 'News' started by Corvuscorax20, Sep 8, 2020.

  1. Corvuscorax20

    Corvuscorax20 Lead commenter

    Any guesses?
  2. Corvuscorax20

    Corvuscorax20 Lead commenter

    and why in the night?
  3. Corvuscorax20

    Corvuscorax20 Lead commenter

    So, there we go, new law. It will be against the law for more than 6 people to meet anywhere, at any time, indoors or outdoors except if they are learning maths, which is known to ward of covid.
  4. hhhh

    hhhh Star commenter

    Now you're being unreasonable (just like me). ANY subject is safe, when taught in a magic building like a school.
    Serious question (not that the previous point isn't deadly serious-literally)...I have a relative in hospital, and was told I might be allowed to visit soon as they were relaxing the Covid restrictions this week. I know I could try to ring them and ask, but will this announcement now mean that idea gets shelved? I suppose few on us on here work in hospitals, but any guesses?
    Best guess-tough if a loved one dies without you seeing them, as long as we can keep schools open to spread the virus!
  5. Sally006

    Sally006 Lead commenter

    Seems to be targeting social activity. I agree it would be a great shame if hospital visits (now opening up) stop or all those much longed for “non-urgent” operations get shelved. Hope it doesn’t come to that. It doesn’t take much to work out that the rise in infections has coincided with schools returning but they will close down all sorts before schools.
    stonerose likes this.
  6. CabbageWhite20

    CabbageWhite20 Occasional commenter

    Coincided with but not necessarily caused by. Schools have been back less than a week in my county so not enough time to be reflected in positive test results.

    ACOYEAR8 Star commenter

    More ambiguous frippery which underlines the total lack of a clear policy and determination to eradicate the virus.
    TBF, you can't galvanise the economy without socialising and it's an excess of the latter which is pushing numbers up. Oh, and bl**dy ignorance. If being stupid caused Covid, then those who were left could fit into Trafalgar Square.
    stonerose likes this.
  8. moscowbore

    moscowbore Star commenter

    Wait a few weeks until the infections due to student parties kick in. Full lockdown on the cards.
    Spain and France very close to full lockdowns.
    stonerose and Catgirl1964 like this.
  9. reflective_pedant

    reflective_pedant New commenter

    Or a Spoons pub, which are transmission free zones.
  10. PamDemic

    PamDemic New commenter

    We have been back since 10 August. I have just got over a horrendous cold and about a quarter of pupils are off, presumably with the same kind of thing. God help us if there is a case of Covid as the endless sanitising didn’t stop me getting it despite me also wearing a mask when close to pupils.
  11. catbefriender

    catbefriender Lead commenter

    I hope it's a cold, cold and nothing else. Get well soon.:)
  12. PeterWR

    PeterWR New commenter

    "The former chief scientific advisor of Pfizer has told talkRADIO he does not believe there is a second wave, and has challenged the Government to prove otherwise. Speaking to Julia Hartley-Brewer, Dr Mike Yeadon said he was "going to challenge the Government to cite the research literature that underscores their belief in a second wave. "There's no science that says [a second wave] will happen."
    agathamorse and ChrisH77 like this.
  13. reflective_pedant

    reflective_pedant New commenter

    I hope you're not expecting to be taken seriously with that post.
  14. ChrisH77

    ChrisH77 New commenter

    Why not? Just because it doesn’t fit a worldview, doesn’t mean it isn’t perfectly reasonable.

    That said, Dr Yeadon ought to have said there is research that says a second wave will happen, in particular from the Imperial College Covid-19 Response Team, in position papers (Ferguson et al, Flaxman et al) and Flaxman et al in Nature, but that the ICCRT models are decidedly shaky. Mainly, the ICCRT assumed an Infection Fatality Ratio 10x higher than almost any population worldwide. And also, their model to show that lockdowns work only works for Sweden by modelling Sweden with a lockdown it didn’t have. Without that imaginary lockdown, the model predicts a 10x higher death toll for Sweden.

    The model predicted a UK death toll of 500k deaths, 30-50k first wave, the rest second wave. Correcting for that x10 might reset the UK.estimate to 50k, which is quite close to national statistics for the last 6 months’ ‘wave’.

    With appropriate corrections, the ICCRT model would appear to agree with Dr Yeadon. There is no ‘second wave’: the first wave was it.

    This is my worldview. It comforts me. I’m not expecting anyone to share it, but there is so much scariness on here, that a little balance might be in order.
    agathamorse likes this.
  15. Doitforfree

    Doitforfree Star commenter

    I'd love it too be the case that there's no second wave, but how do you account for the current rise in hospital admissions?
    stonerose likes this.
  16. hhhh

    hhhh Star commenter

    I actually spoke to a consultant, about a relative who is in hospital, who told me 'there's no visiting now the second wave has started'.
    I'd prefer to believe him, and the evidence of every teacher I know who rightly pointed out that opening schools would bring a second wave, than all the social media posters who say Covid is no big deal/not real/that there is no second wave.

    However, those who think they know better than the consultant, or that it's opinion not fact, hey, carry on.
    SundaeTrifle and Catgirl1964 like this.
  17. PeterWR

    PeterWR New commenter

    Today Dr. Mike Yeadon, re-issued a challenge to Matt Hancock regarding testing.
  18. stonerose

    stonerose Occasional commenter

    That's when he thinks he does his best work!:D
  19. PeterWR

    PeterWR New commenter

    A health secretary that does not know what the figures actually are?

    Extremely valuable public opinion is in the comments

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