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Discussion in 'News' started by Corvuscorax20, Sep 8, 2020.
and why in the night?
So, there we go, new law. It will be against the law for more than 6 people to meet anywhere, at any time, indoors or outdoors except if they are learning maths, which is known to ward of covid.
Now you're being unreasonable (just like me). ANY subject is safe, when taught in a magic building like a school.
Serious question (not that the previous point isn't deadly serious-literally)...I have a relative in hospital, and was told I might be allowed to visit soon as they were relaxing the Covid restrictions this week. I know I could try to ring them and ask, but will this announcement now mean that idea gets shelved? I suppose few on us on here work in hospitals, but any guesses?
Best guess-tough if a loved one dies without you seeing them, as long as we can keep schools open to spread the virus!
Seems to be targeting social activity. I agree it would be a great shame if hospital visits (now opening up) stop or all those much longed for “non-urgent” operations get shelved. Hope it doesn’t come to that. It doesn’t take much to work out that the rise in infections has coincided with schools returning but they will close down all sorts before schools.
Coincided with but not necessarily caused by. Schools have been back less than a week in my county so not enough time to be reflected in positive test results.
More ambiguous frippery which underlines the total lack of a clear policy and determination to eradicate the virus.
TBF, you can't galvanise the economy without socialising and it's an excess of the latter which is pushing numbers up. Oh, and bl**dy ignorance. If being stupid caused Covid, then those who were left could fit into Trafalgar Square.
Wait a few weeks until the infections due to student parties kick in. Full lockdown on the cards.
Spain and France very close to full lockdowns.
Or a Spoons pub, which are transmission free zones.
We have been back since 10 August. I have just got over a horrendous cold and about a quarter of pupils are off, presumably with the same kind of thing. God help us if there is a case of Covid as the endless sanitising didn’t stop me getting it despite me also wearing a mask when close to pupils.
I hope it's a cold, cold and nothing else. Get well soon.
"The former chief scientific advisor of Pfizer has told talkRADIO he does not believe there is a second wave, and has challenged the Government to prove otherwise. Speaking to Julia Hartley-Brewer, Dr Mike Yeadon said he was "going to challenge the Government to cite the research literature that underscores their belief in a second wave. "There's no science that says [a second wave] will happen."
I hope you're not expecting to be taken seriously with that post.
Why not? Just because it doesn’t fit a worldview, doesn’t mean it isn’t perfectly reasonable.
That said, Dr Yeadon ought to have said there is research that says a second wave will happen, in particular from the Imperial College Covid-19 Response Team, in position papers (Ferguson et al, Flaxman et al) and Flaxman et al in Nature, but that the ICCRT models are decidedly shaky. Mainly, the ICCRT assumed an Infection Fatality Ratio 10x higher than almost any population worldwide. And also, their model to show that lockdowns work only works for Sweden by modelling Sweden with a lockdown it didn’t have. Without that imaginary lockdown, the model predicts a 10x higher death toll for Sweden.
The model predicted a UK death toll of 500k deaths, 30-50k first wave, the rest second wave. Correcting for that x10 might reset the UK.estimate to 50k, which is quite close to national statistics for the last 6 months’ ‘wave’.
With appropriate corrections, the ICCRT model would appear to agree with Dr Yeadon. There is no ‘second wave’: the first wave was it.
This is my worldview. It comforts me. I’m not expecting anyone to share it, but there is so much scariness on here, that a little balance might be in order.
I'd love it too be the case that there's no second wave, but how do you account for the current rise in hospital admissions?
I actually spoke to a consultant, about a relative who is in hospital, who told me 'there's no visiting now the second wave has started'.
I'd prefer to believe him, and the evidence of every teacher I know who rightly pointed out that opening schools would bring a second wave, than all the social media posters who say Covid is no big deal/not real/that there is no second wave.
However, those who think they know better than the consultant, or that it's opinion not fact, hey, carry on.
Today Dr. Mike Yeadon, re-issued a challenge to Matt Hancock regarding testing.
That's when he thinks he does his best work!
A health secretary that does not know what the figures actually are?
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