Agreed. And Msz I didn't explain myself that well did I !! No, what I meant was they do now teach phonics (but this is still in its early days at this school) but there isn't much reading linked to the phonics they are teaching, there's nothing like the pace you describe in your teaching at getting through all the sounds, and then once they are early readers there isn't much reading!! It's scary reading on these forums the pace at which other schools progress through Letters and Sounds phases or equivalent commercial schemes as I know that with vast chunks of children at my children's school the pace is snail-like by comparison ....... and it's a middle class school in a very expensive area, low special needs, low FSM etc etc.