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What teacher shortage? The numeracy test stops trainees in their tracks

Discussion in 'Education news' started by Vince_Ulam, Nov 23, 2015.


Are teaching candidates getting more stupid?

  1. Yes, and I have no idea why.

  2. Yes, and I blame the national curriculum.

  3. Yes and I blame bad teaching.

  4. No. Just no.

  5. No, 21st Century teachers don't need to know that much.

  1. snowyhead

    snowyhead Lead commenter

    I am assuming that you do keep up-to-date with current trends in primary education in preparation to fill the gaps that other teachers have created? You'll know then that there has always been a bias towards fluency in mental maths since the inception of the NC, NNS and current NC. The NCETM website is always worth a look too.
  2. Weald56

    Weald56 Established commenter

    Are they? What %? At what ages? Or is this just another off the cuff anecdote?
  3. jamiedoorknob

    jamiedoorknob Occasional commenter

    Yep, its all that stuff that created the problem in the first place.

    You prove my point very well.
  4. jamiedoorknob

    jamiedoorknob Occasional commenter

    If you want a survey Folk Fan, do it yourself.

    And look up the difference between experience and anecdote.
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  5. Weald56

    Weald56 Established commenter

    I think everyone knows that you draw on a very limited experience and a pretty limited range of anecdotes.
  6. jamiedoorknob

    jamiedoorknob Occasional commenter

    I think everyone knows you are not good on facts, Folk Fan.
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  7. Weald56

    Weald56 Established commenter

    You even argue with Primary teachers who clearly know far more about it than you do - why? Because:

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  8. jamiedoorknob

    jamiedoorknob Occasional commenter

    Your cartoon wasn't clever the first time you used it. Copying and pasting it is sad.
    You're a history teacher.
  9. Weald56

    Weald56 Established commenter

    It's not just me you argue with - I have said several times that my views on the Skills test only apply to secondary because that's what I know about.

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  10. snowyhead

    snowyhead Lead commenter

    I think @kent1 is referring to me - I like to think I am an experienced primary teacher.
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  11. jamiedoorknob

    jamiedoorknob Occasional commenter

    Now now Folky, you've already had posts deleted from this thread.

    The reason why you've had to move to Kent is all too obvious.
  12. snowyhead

    snowyhead Lead commenter

    As a primary teacher who obviously lacks the skills and knowledge to teach mental arithmetic well, I am genuinely keen to learn what you do, @jamiedoorknob, with your tutees that plugs the gaps. What's your starting point? What do you consider to be the basics?
  13. jamiedoorknob

    jamiedoorknob Occasional commenter

    Forget the leaf and box diagrams until they've learned the basics.
  14. snowyhead

    snowyhead Lead commenter

    Oh bother, I'd planned to do leaf and box* diagrams all next week in Year 5 Art. Back to the drawing board then.

    * PS @jamiedoorknob I think you might have your leaves, boxes, whiskers and stems a little muddled, which is understandable because, by your own admission, you aren't a maths specialist.
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  15. jamiedoorknob

    jamiedoorknob Occasional commenter

    Nail on head.

    Teachers who get worked up about diagrams are the reason why parents have to hire tutors.
  16. Morninglover

    Morninglover Lead commenter

    Excuse me, l haven't 'moved to Kent' - l was born here!
  17. snowyhead

    snowyhead Lead commenter

    Quite. Art and Science teachers are the worse culprits for getting worked up about diagrams.

    The tuition market must be booming in Aruba.
  18. jamiedoorknob

    jamiedoorknob Occasional commenter

    There's a big demand for primary English tuition as well.

    Can't think why....
  19. jubilee

    jubilee Star commenter

    I started Primary school in 1958 and moved to Grammar school in 1965. We had a timetabled mental Arithmetic lessons every week. I loved it.

    They had to introduce the Skills Tests because the evidence was there for all to see of many newly trained teachers being unable to write grammatical English in school reports and exercise book comments, and being clueless with data analysis and turning pupil marks into percentages.

    I'll never forget the howlers in an assembly Power Point delivered by a 27 year old recently promoted Head of Year in 2006. The Head of English took it upon himself to approach her and advise that she should pass all such presentations by him before subjecting pupils again to the wrong usage of they're/their and there or were, we're and where.

    Many young teachers are of the opinion (in common with current pupils) that accuracy is unimportant if the recipient can work out what they mean!
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  20. snowyhead

    snowyhead Lead commenter


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