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What should be done about the migrant problem?

Discussion in 'Personal' started by Cliffedge, Nov 14, 2015.

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  1. Cliffedge

    Cliffedge Occasional commenter

    Should we set up controls, let none in or let however many who want to come in? Do we face threats from ISIS if we do the latter and have a situation like that of the tragic one in Paris yesterday? Are most of the people traveling through Europe real refugees or economic migrants? I saw this video recently of Syrian refugees who had left their accomodation because it didn't have a tv, or enough privacy or a fridge.

  2. TheoGriff

    TheoGriff Star commenter


    I don't have tv in any bedroom in my house.


  3. Cliffedge

    Cliffedge Occasional commenter

    Neither do I actually.
  4. sabrinakat

    sabrinakat Star commenter

    Nor do I....however....

    I do not think that this thread is appropriate at the moment (at least, her make-up was done well).

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  5. Cliffedge

    Cliffedge Occasional commenter

    Why isn't it appropriate? I agree about her make-up. Her hair as well. Amazing how well people can look in 'jail'.
  6. Flere-Imsaho

    Flere-Imsaho Star commenter

    We could try not ******* up people's countries so badly that risking their lives to travel in horrendous conditions seems like a sensible option.
    ISIS/Daesh want Europeans to start demonising refugees. They can use it as propaganda to show how unjust and evil our society is. You can't fight intolerance by simply exhibiting a different model of intolerance.
  7. sabrinakat

    sabrinakat Star commenter

    I fear the anti-migrant backlash will escalate in relation to the Paris attacks and then, a video like this - which shows how a few behave, could turn into a situation where all migrants are classified as terrorists or complaining princesses..........

    (and also what flere said).....
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  8. Dunteachin

    Dunteachin Star commenter

    It's just been on the news that one of the Paris attackers arrived in Greece as a 'migrant' in October.
    It was bound to happen
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  9. BelleDuJour

    BelleDuJour Star commenter

    I did mention this on another thread and got my knuckles rapped.
  10. Cliffedge

    Cliffedge Occasional commenter

    I agree. Recent foreign interventions have drastically destabilized the region.

    I'm not sure they even care what we think. Recent tragedies point to that being the case. Their psychopathic ideology allows them to feel they stand above what the rest of the world thinks.

    You certainly can't. That's why we have to continue living our lives and discussing issues of concern in the European continent. But we have a problem now and I'm asking what we should do about it?
  11. Cliffedge

    Cliffedge Occasional commenter

    It would be surprising if it didn't.

    Do you really think this video alone has the power to make all people label migrants as terrorists and complaining princesses?
  12. Flere-Imsaho

    Flere-Imsaho Star commenter

    The answer to your question was in my post. Exhibit tolerance. Help people fleeing horror and give them the opportunity to rebuild their lives. Not get in a tizzy over one or two numpties complaining about the lack of TV among the hundreds of thousands who have no real shelter.
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  13. Cliffedge

    Cliffedge Occasional commenter

    Isn't is exhibiting tolerance to give them food and shelter? The shelter looks all shiny and brand new too. And exhibit tolerance to what extent - to let all in, none in or control the numbers that are let in? This is the question I asked.
  14. Cliffedge

    Cliffedge Occasional commenter

    It's also been said that one of the attackers had a Syrian passport.
  15. Flere-Imsaho

    Flere-Imsaho Star commenter

  16. lanokia

    lanokia Star commenter

    What is your definition of the 'problem' the migrants present/face?

    See there are many ways of coming at this...

    1. We have the problem the refugee crisis presents for neighbouring countries like Lebanon, Jordan and Turkey who have taken the overwhelming number of refugees from Syria.

    2. There is the problem that many of the refugees are now mixed in with a general population movement from places ranging from Eritrea toIran.

    3. Is it the problem of the unsafe Mediterranean crossings?

    4. Is it the uncontrolled movement of populations in the 100,000s across Europe.

    5. Is it the perception held by some of being 'swamped' or that Europe is 'besieged'.

    6. Is it the fear that ISIS are infiltrating Europe through the movement of population.

    7. Is it the guilt held by many in the West knowing that it is our actions that have caused the problems in the region overall.

    8. Is it the increase on public services in an economically unstable period?

    9. Is it a 'fear' of a lack of integration by Muslims into European society generally [although integration is usually two way]

    10.Is it something else I've missed.

    What is the 'problem' and then we can discuss solutions. Because the migrants exist, so saying they are the problem, not really help pin things down.
  17. Cliffedge

    Cliffedge Occasional commenter

    Is it so difficult to give an answer?
  18. Cliffedge

    Cliffedge Occasional commenter

    I've asked some questions but still haven't got any answers.
  19. lanokia

    lanokia Star commenter

    Yeah I just asked ten. So define the 'problem'.
  20. grumpydogwoman

    grumpydogwoman Star commenter

    I may find someone intolerable and not wish greatly to tolerate them. But I may not wish to go so far as to deny them food and shelter even if I thought they'd be quite likely to give me the old heave-ho.

    Coz that'd make me as bad as them? So I'd quite like to take the moral high-ground? Some of us are so prissy like that.
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