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Discussion in 'Workplace dilemmas' started by artmad1, Jan 17, 2020.

  1. artmad1

    artmad1 New commenter

    I was signed off in November due to knee problems which make walking almost impossible. As we all know theNHS moves slowly So am still waiting until early February to find out what prognosis is. Can drive but not walk without a zimmer. Workplace has no lift and I am on 5th floor. Have had letter from HR asking me about what problems are. Replied honesty but get feeling they want rid of me. There is lots of stuff about reasonable adjustments but get the feeling they apply to students not teachers. I want to carry on part time 2 days as I am now but has anyone been here before me?
  2. newton375

    newton375 New commenter

    Have you had an occupational health meeting yet?
    This seems like something they could help with - eg lift access/ temporary classroom move
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  3. install

    install Star commenter

    It looks like you have had lots of problems. How did the capability proceedings work out and have they been resolved ? ( Acc. to post below in April 2019)

    'New commenter
    good evening kind people of this forum. Your advice to me has always been helpful and kind. I was put on capability proceedings last September. To cut a long story short the Union was involved and not that impressed with how things were done but not done so badly it was illegal. I wAs not given any dates or timescales as to how long this would take other than a list of meetings from October 2018 to July 2019. At the last meeting I had with HoD she said I could be off Capability and get in with appraisal. Since then, however she has been signed off for I know not how long and I am in limbo . I do not trust the SLT so am not keen of drawing their attention to me but am also wondering what I should do now.

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  4. caterpillartobutterfly

    caterpillartobutterfly Star commenter

    To put it mildly!!!
    In 2.5 years they have had:
    2 disciplinaries
    3 sets of informal capability, some of which overlap
    5 incidents of feeling bullied
    4 serious leg/foot injuries resulting in time off

    June 2016: Informal disciplinary
    August 2016: Felt disrespected at work due to being a single woman
    May 2017: Broke bone in foot
    October 2017: Problems with HOD
    January 2018: Struggling on crutches due to a leg injury
    End January 2018: Worried about returning to work, but that having more time off would 'be used against' them
    March 2018: Fed up because they are asked to write reports for a shared class
    June 2018: Informal capability started
    Later June 2018: Formal disciplinary proceedings started
    July 2018: Refers to being off recently with a hip injury
    July 2018: Now off with stress after being bullied by HOD due to being a single woman
    February 2019: Informal capability started
    April 2019: Refers to capability being started last September with a list of meeting until July 2019 (Not sure how this fits with capability being started again in February, but there we go.)
    December 2019: Housebound after major knee injury
  5. HolyMahogany

    HolyMahogany Occasional commenter

    @artmad1 - You started teaching in 1981, that means you must have 38 years in the job. That's a long time, well done. Perhaps it is time to think about retirement. Hopefully you have a decent sized pension pot. based on the number of issues you have had over the last couple of years, which @caterpillartobutterfly has taken the time to identify I cannot imagine that you are happy where you are. For the sake of your own health and welfare give some serious consideration to leaving. Once you have your pension you will have more choices. You could always look for a small part time non teaching job when you have recovered.
  6. CWadd

    CWadd Star commenter

    A reasonable adjustment in this case would be moving you to the ground floor.

    I find it odd your school has no lift. Carrying furniture/materials/boxes of books upstairs must require a team of moving men and women.

    But, I echo @HolyMahogany . After nearly 40 years at the grind, perhaps its time to escape, recover your health, and enjoy life?
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  7. caterpillartobutterfly

    caterpillartobutterfly Star commenter

    They apparently teach art and ceramics, so it might not all that reasonable to move them.
    However, the OP appears not to have seen OH, has been off since Nov and has an appt in Feb (at least 2 weeks away). So I imagine the school will think about absence interviews before long.
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  8. TheOracleAtDelphi

    TheOracleAtDelphi Occasional commenter

    @caterpillartobutterfly If you ever get tired of teaching, I think you should consider a career as a cyber forensic investigation for the police! :)
  9. Rott Weiler

    Rott Weiler Star commenter Forum guide

    Is a classroom move to ground floor feasible? Depends what you teach and whether your normal classroom on 5th floor has specialist facilities. Moving, say, humanities teaching from 5th to Ground may not be too hard for school to organise, but moving a science room is usually not practicable.
  10. CWadd

    CWadd Star commenter

    I am just saying that an OH might suggest that as a reasonable adjustment.

    The school may not be able to accommodate it.

    To be frank, the OP seems to have had never ending problems in this place. Moving on might be a better option.
  11. TheOracleAtDelphi

    TheOracleAtDelphi Occasional commenter

    I'm struggling to picture a school that even has a fifth floor! Pity the poor teacher who doesn't have their own classroom. And it must be a nightmare at class changeover time and at the end of the day and positively dangerous in case of fire.
  12. CWadd

    CWadd Star commenter

    I've been someone who doesn't have their own classroom. It sucked. Especially when you have to go into classrooms ruled by territorial ***** who refuse to log out the computer, clear the board, or tidy away, because they want to make life difficult. Some teachers are spiteful little *****, IMHO.

    And putting Art/Science Depts on the top floor - totally stupid. I often think schools are designed by people who never work in them, from roasting hot classrooms to narrow stairwells.
  13. TheOracleAtDelphi

    TheOracleAtDelphi Occasional commenter

    Yes me too. Even in a comparatively small school it was not fun constantly changing classrooms.
  14. artmad1

    artmad1 New commenter

    Hi and thank you for your kind words. I am giving the thought of going serious consideration. I have fought to continue, all capability/disciplinary issues have come to nothing because they were untrue. Maybe it’s time to let go,.....,
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  15. mothorchid

    mothorchid Star commenter

    There is a world elsewhere.
    Let go!
    Honestly, why do you feel the call to stay there?
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  16. caterpillartobutterfly

    caterpillartobutterfly Star commenter

    Then your school isn't quite as horrific as some! Many of us can testify to capability/disciplinary issues almost ending our careers, if not our lives, despite being based on lies.

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