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What MPS should I ask for ?

Discussion in 'Pay and conditions' started by plumtree1, Nov 30, 2018.

  1. plumtree1

    plumtree1 New commenter

    Wonder is anyone can help me ?
    I have been working as a supply teacher since last September and previously to that a teacher on a year contract where they wouldn’t pay mps but unqualified rate as I didn’t have my QTLS which I gained whilst there .
    Before this post I was a cover supervisor and TA after gaining A DTLLS Qualification.

    I have been paid up to £170 per day on long term supply for a lead teacher post and £140 for a subject specialist teacher post .

    I have been offered a maternity leave post on MPS for 6 months with a school and I thought I should ask for MP2 but I now realise this is much lower than my daily supply rate ? .

    Can anybody advise what I should be asking for ? Do to being a mature teacher and gaining DTLLS 5 years ago and many years of employment ( non teaching ) can this increase my pay scale requests ?

    My Agency is saying this is up to me and they will just be taking a find fee ..
  2. JohnJCazorla

    JohnJCazorla Star commenter

    If you want to be on around £170 a day then go for MPS6. That's the easy bit of the advice. For the hard bit both you and the school will follow the maxim, "What can I get away with?"

    I have a friend in business-to-business sales, whenever I have such negotiations looming I buy him a few drinks and run through likely scenarios with him, doesn't matter that he knows nothing of education as this is nothing to do with education. Can you find and bribe a similar friend? Heads and HR are only slightly better at haggling than your average, trusting teacher so this could easily give you the edge.

    EDIT: I'm on £195 a day as long-term supply and compared to the £170 I was happy with then there's one great plug for the haggling approach.
  3. plumtree1

    plumtree1 New commenter

    Thank you for the reply , I don’t have a friend who could advise unfortunately, the agency has now come back and said it will be 12 weeks temp to perm contract now , going perm for just the weeks between April and July ? And he doesn’t know the end date ( says that’s between me and the school ) , I’m disappointed with this as there is no security for me again for another 3 months and what stops them saying goodbye when that temp time is up ? , and I’m not happy on £146 per day at the busiest time of the year with exams etc and the temp that’s already there says there’s nothin in place she has done her own sow and lesson plans ?!
  4. JohnJCazorla

    JohnJCazorla Star commenter

    Practise your haggling with the agency now.
    "I'm sorry but I can't accept that"
    "I appreciate that you're a good negotiator and will have got the best deal going but I'm afraid it's not enough"
    I haven't bought the beers recently so I can't think of other lines off the top of my head. But it's politely getting the agency to do what you want. Backed up by the implied threat that you'll just go elsewhere. The agent has put in most of the effort for no return as yet so is vulnerable to this threat, especially as he'll have made promises to the school re you. If the agent can't pay you the extra out of the large agency margin then he'll have to go back to the school and then you've got the best negotiator acting for you (well himself actually but you'll benefit).

    I was going to say, "What do you have to lose?" but the answer to that is obvious, but if you can afford to lose it then go for it, this is the time of year to push your luck.

    All the best.
  5. plumtree1

    plumtree1 New commenter

    thanks , that’s what I was thinking of doing , I don’t feel the school is giving me any security offering 12 weeks temp , or indeed fighting to have me teach there ? They were very complementary at the interview but I know they need someone ASAP as other maternity temp is leaving for a perm job and I don’t think anyone else applied .
    I just would like a permanent job now but they just don’t seem to be around
  6. Piranha

    Piranha Star commenter

    It is the usual thing in negotiation - you need to be clear in your own mind what the minimum you are prepared to take is. You then ask for more than that and may allow yourself to be talked down to your minimum. To do this, you have to be prepared to walk away. It does strike me that asking for the top of the main scale with so little time with QTS is rather optimistic, but your past experience might be enough to get you some way towards that. You will need to be able to say why you are worth more than your experience suggests.
    JohnJCazorla likes this.
  7. plumtree1

    plumtree1 New commenter

    thank you for your reply , unfortunately the Agency are not budging with their daily rate offer and the school want to stay with a temp to perm mat cover for 6 months , the agency is now annoyed with me as I’ve said I have to keep looking for a permanent role and I have a job interview when the school want me in for a day before starting .
  8. plumtree1

    plumtree1 New commenter

    I know I can’t really expect to earn top money on the pay scale and because I’ve mentioend mps2 now they’re is also no movement on this either .

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