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What might Britain be like if the Tories had lost the 2015 election?

Discussion in 'Personal' started by Duke of York, Nov 30, 2018.

  1. Duke of York

    Duke of York Star commenter

    No Brexit, probably no Corbyn, no divided nation. We'd have missed all the wonderful benefits the Big Society brought us though. On the whole, do you think we'd be better or worse off?
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  2. needabreak

    needabreak Star commenter

    Who knows? But bet we'd still be moaning about something!
  3. irs1054

    irs1054 Star commenter

    Absolutely true, but, at least we wouldn't be stuck in the brexit rut.:)

    The problem Labour had in '15 was that they missed so many tricks and didn't take the Tories to task enough. Of course, they got wiped out in Scotland but the arithmetic was such that that wasn't what cost them the election.
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  4. Geoff Thomas

    Geoff Thomas Star commenter

    Wasn't 2015 the election when the tories grossly overspent in selected marginals?
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  5. colpee

    colpee Star commenter

    On the whole, if MPs shuffled their less than useful backsides from one bench colour to another I doubt we would have noticed any substantive difference in the real world.
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  6. dumpty

    dumpty Star commenter

    Weirdly, I think Corbyn would have the same issues with getting his ideas past his own party, as May has the Tories.

    I often consider voting for Corbyn as I do genuinely think he will try to make big changes and I, like many, just want things done - even if a tad mad.

    We are all sick of bickering, soundbite shouting politicians that get nothing done. (Hence Trump winning in the USA)

    But I think it is naïve to think Corbyn's take on socialism would not or will not run into fights and bickering with the Blairites in Labour, to the extent that once again, little to nothing gets done. Not least once the Blairites are in power with Corbyn.

    And of course, Corbyn would also be seeing an ever ballooning in votes UKIP taking votes from him due to the above and due to denying people a vote on the EU.
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  7. Photo51

    Photo51 Established commenter

  8. burajda

    burajda Star commenter

    Dominic Cummings thought Brexit would be pointless unless there were big changes. Even if the Tories deliver Brexit, they don't seem to offering an alternative vision for the county and particularly any strategy for those parts of the country that voted heavily to Leave.
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  9. florian gassmann

    florian gassmann Star commenter

    Wasn't it also the case that Labour then suffered under the enormous handicap of Ed Miliband?
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  10. burajda

    burajda Star commenter

    No, the Tories had the enormous advantage of the charismatic and gifted Mr Cameron.
  11. lanokia

    lanokia Star commenter

    Best joke on TES of the day.

    You are joking yes?
  12. Jude Fawley

    Jude Fawley Star commenter

    Hypotheticals eh!
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  13. irs1054

    irs1054 Star commenter

    If you consider that. But taking that out of the equation there were still huge tactical errors.
  14. MAGAorMIGA

    MAGAorMIGA Star commenter

    Don't forget that Ed Miliband led Labour into that election, and had he won the Election, would still be leader now, and Jeremy Corbyn just an obscure back-bench MP no one would have heard of.
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  15. Jude Fawley

    Jude Fawley Star commenter

    If only the grocery van had knocked down little Margaret.
  16. lanokia

    lanokia Star commenter

    Considering Cameron is probably the worst PM in my living memory... if not going back to Eden...

    I think we should be cutting Miliband some slack... in retrospect he wasn't half bad.
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  17. colpee

    colpee Star commenter

    Here he is trying to swallow socialism
  18. Duke of York

    Duke of York Star commenter

    Yes, but I think it's worth reflecting back on what people voted for and the consequences of their vote.

    FWIW, I doubt that Miliband would have made a particularly good PM, based on his record with handling the media, but then again, the BS merchant that was very good with the media turned out to be the most disastrous PM for Britain in recent memory, so what might we learn from this?

    Of course its water under the bridge now. We are where we are, but in a few years or sooner, there will be another election in which the electorate will need to scratch its head, or toss a coin to decide which of the main choices on offer will be the safest bet, or if you like, cause the least damage.

    I put it to you that if all the coins that were tossed in the polling booths came up tails and we'd ended up with Labour in power, the Tories would have had to pension off all the arsseholes, and in two years time come back with a more moderate team in the hope of winning the 2020 election. Nothing much would have changed for the worse and Britain wouldn't have become Comedy Central to the rest of the world as it is now.
  19. MAGAorMIGA

    MAGAorMIGA Star commenter

    I never got the fuss over the bacon sandwich. I couldn't understand why thousands of people apparently thought Ed's inability to eat a bacon sandwich elegantly was damning, irrefutable proof of his unsuitability for high office. If anyone decided how to cast their vote on the basis of it, they don't deserve to have a vote at all.
  20. MAGAorMIGA

    MAGAorMIGA Star commenter

    And I have to say, there was more than a little suspicion of anti-Semitism in the press's treatment of him and his father. No doubt David would have had the same, had he become leader.
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