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What is the pay rate for supply?

Discussion in 'Supply teaching' started by Rozario123, Jan 10, 2016.

  1. Rozario123

    Rozario123 New commenter

    Hi I'm new to supply and start my first role on tuesday. An agency called me on friday and everything was arranged very quickly (paperwork, references and telephone interview) as it was urgent, only thing that was not discussed was pay. I realise I should have discussed this earlier.
    Can anyone tell me what is the going rate for supply, I will be teaching A levels on long term supply.
    Are the rates negotiable? The contract they sent had no rate of pay written down.
     
  2. nearmiss

    nearmiss Lead commenter

    Hi,

    thanks for reposting :)

    I'll be honest, I really don't like the sound of this at all. Are you a qualified teacher?
    There are no nationally negotiated rates for supply teachers as each agency is a private business, not a statutory provider of education.
    Anything less than £140 per day for long term is a complete rip off but only if you are a qualified teacher.
    If the agency has sold you to the school as a qualified teacher but pays you as a cover supervisor if you are not qualified, they are breaching their contract with the school.
    The rushed nature of the negotiations makes me suspect that this is the case.
    This means that they will be offering you less than £100 per day. That is an even bigger rip off as they will be charging the school about double that.
    If this is so, just go in for the first day and then negotiate an exit. If you are paid on a day rate, only need to give a day's notice.
    I read your other query. The agency must surely know that if you have no experience of teaching in a school then you will need some support and induction. It is unfair and really poor practice to expect you turn up on Monday as the complete package.
    Some agencies are terrible and should be put out of business. If they are messing you about, walk away.
     
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  3. Fraccy

    Fraccy New commenter

    nearmiss has covered everything - enough for you to be able to contact the agency on Monday and fix your rate at something reasonable. In one sense, you have an advantage: the agency's already committed to supplying for the role, so they can't afford to lose you the day before.

    Just for reference, several times I've been called by a flustered agent in a rush to fill a role, who forgot to mention the pay rate (and, each time, I kicked myself for also forgetting!). Fortunately, I'd already established my rate when I joined the agency, so I made sure it was implicit in any later conversation about pay.
     
  4. nearmiss

    nearmiss Lead commenter

    Previous posters will be familiar with the classic bluff. Agency bundles New candidate into urgent placement then cancels or drastically alters job description at the last moment.
    Email the agency now. Ask for details. Is the booking really confirmed? Is the school aware the candidate has never worked in a school? You need this in writing. You can't accept a contract that doesn't even specify your wage.
     
  5. Jolly_Roger1

    Jolly_Roger1 Star commenter

    As @nearmiss implies, the school is probably using you as 'long stop', to give itself time to look around for someone else. That the agency is telling you that you will 'only be teaching A level' to both tempt and reassure you sounds very suspicious and very unlikely to be true. If you get as far as going into the school, you will almost certainly find that' what and who' you will be teaching will be completely different that you had been lead to expect. If it happens at all, the job will not last very long.
     
  6. splinters

    splinters Established commenter

    Plenty of good advice here but, in terms of figures, the agency who I have worked with the most in an admittedly short supply career pay around £165 per day on long term supply and £120 for day to day general cover. I am yet to discover what day to day specialist subject cover is but I imagine somewhere between the two figures. I agree that long term A Level teaching only sound suspicious. As long as you are qualified and experienced at teaching A Level it can be a a lot easier than dealing with KS3 and KS4, will be smaller classes too.....but its rare for someone to get just A Level especially if they have no school experience. As alredy suggested contact the agency for clarification of this assignment.
     
  7. splinters

    splinters Established commenter

    I have just seen that you don't have QTS but that is not a requirement for academies and independents now. You have a PGCE in FE (as do I) so you are qualified for post 16 teaching.
    Rates of pay are negotiable but that should be done before accepting the contract so I would suggest getting on to them today before you start tomorrow. Good luck in the job and I hope you get a satisfactory rate of pay.
     
  8. Jolly_Roger1

    Jolly_Roger1 Star commenter

    If the teacher you will be replacing did only teach A level, someone else at the school will almost certainly be covering them, and you will be left with that someone's previous, no doubt, cruddy timetable.
     
  9. splinters

    splinters Established commenter

    I have to agree. A Level supply cover is rarely required but good luck if it is in this case.
    Experienced and able staff usually volunteer as a small group of young adults is often an idyllic option compared to a full KS3/4 timetable. I have known A Level students to be given material to go off an work independently rather than get in a supply teacher so approach with a degree of caution.
     
  10. Twinklefoottoe

    Twinklefoottoe Senior commenter

    The daily rate is whatever you negotiate. In other words, given how bad Brits are at negotiating and talking about money, it is the lowest rate that an agency can persuade you to work for so that their end-of-year bonuses are maximised.
     
  11. Rozario123

    Rozario123 New commenter

    Thanks for all the replies. I have been offered £25ph which equates to £162 per day, but since I will only be teaching 4 hours on a full teaching day - its £100 per day. Its the same rate I get now at the college, so I'm happy.

    BUT can anyone advise me - the agency is part of an umbrella. So I won't be employed directly by them but another company who will be deducting £13 per week to cover their expenses - the actual rate is £22 but the agency will pay the difference. Is this normal practice? I always thought the school paid the commission.
     
  12. splinters

    splinters Established commenter

    That is another can of worms to open. Many comments on here about not using an Umbrella company/setting up your own limited company.
    You will have no idea what the school is paying the agency beyond your agreed rate but Umbrella companies, in my experience, are very clear (if not fair) regarding what they charge/deduct etc.
    What is strange is an hourly rate when you are there all day. I have never been paid by the hour only a full day rate. There have been days where I had no lessons at all and some very few while on assignment but thats not my problem.
    That sounds like yet another bit of skimming off the top by the agency. Sounds like they are getting a fee way beyond the £162 and then realised they can get another £62 from you hence their 'generous' offer to top up the UC fee. I have never known more than 5 hours of classes in a full day anyway.
     
  13. pleasemiss__

    pleasemiss__ Occasional commenter

    I don't know about commission etc, but I'm with an agency who pay me via a UC. Many people on this forum have negative views about umbrella companies. I didn't understand why... until I started being messed around by the UC with irregular payments.

    I don't really notice the fees they charge as £20 here and there isn't that much to worry about... but increasingly I think that my agency is taking me for a bit of a ride.
     
  14. Deirds

    Deirds Senior commenter

    There is a lot of knowledgeable advice about umbrella companies in the forum, but the bottom line is - insist on PAYE. Others will be along shortly I'm sure.
     

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