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What is the Guardian's real role in the Boris recording?

Discussion in 'Education news' started by binaryhex, Jun 22, 2019.

  1. binaryhex

    binaryhex Lead commenter

    Would it be okay for the Head to record your classroom secretly?

    So, Boris's girlfriend's neighbours are at the ready with their recording equipment pressed up against their connecting structures, and immediately sent it off to the Guardian for the sensationalist fake news makeover when a titbit turned up.

    I'm confused about this though. Did the Guardian supply the recording equipment? Were they in contact with these neighbours before this 'event'? Have the neighbours been paid by the Guardian? Are the Guardian doing similar to other politicians and famous people?

    This sounds very much like phone hacking or the teacher Christopher Jefferies all over again. Just because it's Boris, doesn't mean he should have his privacy invaded. How would you like your neighbours to record your goings on? How would you like the Head to record the staffroom or toilet or lessons?
    Last edited: Jun 22, 2019
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  2. dunnocks

    dunnocks Star commenter

    hmm, I doubt its more than just they turned on their mobile phone memo function.

    I was recently involved in a case where neighbours had recorded domestic violence on their mobile phones from next door, it was certainly clear enough for the police to take action on with
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  3. blue451

    blue451 Lead commenter

    What would they hope to achieve planting recording equipment nextdoor to the flat and the girlfriend of a politician? Did they know this would happen? Are you suggesting that such altercations are a frequent occurrence and they were expecting it?

    "Just because it's Boris" doesn't mean neighbours shouldn't report concerns about the safety of his girlfriend.
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  4. binaryhex

    binaryhex Lead commenter

    I'm not sure though - is that what you think happened? You think that the BREXIT-hating Boris-hating Guardian didn't try to record what was happening in the flat for weeks, to fish for dirt? It's an interesting theory you have. I can't imagine a mobile phone picking out the sounds from next door in a well built flat in London, without extra specialist equipment and advice from experts as well.

    I just don't understand how the Guardian was onto this so very quickly? I think we need some answers from the neighbour and the Guardian. How did the Guardian get this scoop so quickly?

    This has implications for teachers!
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  5. binaryhex

    binaryhex Lead commenter

    The thing that I really wonder about is why there are detailed, endless descriptions of why the neighbour went into such detail about how they instinctively started recording on their mobile when they heard noise from next door. It's just bizarre. How many people do you know that 'instinctively' start recording their neighbours every time they hear something?

    A reasonable person might think that when someone is being so elaborate about a small detail that something is just not right?
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  6. blue451

    blue451 Lead commenter

    Well now you know. Be careful.
  7. blue451

    blue451 Lead commenter

    Every time they hear something? Does she record 'every time' or are you making that assumption?

    She was concerned enough to knock on the door. She got nowhere, the noise and shouting continued. She called the police. I don't think it's an entirely unnatural reaction to think that the noise might stop before or when the police arrive and that it might be a good idea to record it, just in case.

    It's deflection, distraction, and blaming of amyone except the real aggressor. Always.
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  8. PeterQuint

    PeterQuint Lead commenter

    Sorry, this is the education news forum, isn’t it?

    Starting the thread with a rhetorical question about heads recording you doesn’t really make a difference.
  9. dunnocks

    dunnocks Star commenter

    well, you are wrong, I've just been involved in a case when the neighbours recorded sounds of domestic violence on their phones from next door in a "well built London flat" and I can assure you the quality of the recording was perfectly good enough for a prosecution.

    I just said so. In the second post on this thread. Didn't you see that?
  10. FrankWolley

    FrankWolley Star commenter

    OP, your imagination knows no bounds - this is a simple story of domestic abuse by a public figure uncovered because the noise was so loud it was audible in the neighbour's home...and they used their mobile phone to record it. Not very difficult to do, really... ;)
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  11. Scintillant

    Scintillant Star commenter

    The OP would do well to avail themselves of the facts of the incident before deciding what they are.
  12. lanokia

    lanokia Star commenter

    As the police found no such thing I'd suggest it is your imagination that is getting carried away.

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  13. FrankWolley

    FrankWolley Star commenter

    I was forgetting... The police have a superb record for identifying and dealing with cases of domestic abuse. Hardly ever make a mistake...o_O
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  14. yodaami2

    yodaami2 Lead commenter

    I'd love my classroom to be filmed. Evidence of the times lessons have not gone well would be found to be due to; latecomers, loud latecomers, disruptive prompt people, children not in my classes bursting in to disrupt, or bang on windows and multiple other things beyond my control.
    Or maybe the filming would stop such things.
  15. christubbs

    christubbs New commenter

    How many children does Boris have? How many times has this man taken cocaine? How many times has he been sacked for lying? Why did he refer to certain muslim women as being letterboxes and bank robbers? Why did he refer to gay men as "bumboys"? etc. etc. Watermelon smiles and so on.....

    It is in this context that I view this latest episode. Just another reason why he is unfit to be primeminister!
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  16. schoolsout4summer

    schoolsout4summer Star commenter

    I wonder if this was the first time that loud, disturbing noises had been coming from Boris Johnson's girlfriend's flat?
    Perhaps the sound of a female's voice screaming "Get off me" could have been a rape? How were the neighbours to know?
    I wonder if binaryhex would have been so defensive if it had been The Daily Mail or Sun reporting on Nigel Farage and his girlfriend - for instance?
  17. schoolsout4summer

    schoolsout4summer Star commenter

    Greedy, selfish, lying fornicator? On the contrary, I believe that Alex "Boris" Johnson is eminently suitable to be Prime Minister of Great Britain because his many character traits reflect those admired by the majority of the population of our once great country.
  18. binaryhex

    binaryhex Lead commenter

    If the Guardian has set up recording equipment in the neighbour’s house and then briefed the neighbour on collecting ‘evidence’, we need to know about it. If the Guardian helped the neighbour concoct an intricate alibi for why they switched on a phone ‘instinctively’ because the Guardian knew what they were doing was at best an immoral invasion of privacy, then we all should be worried. It just doesn’t add up, ‘instinctively’ recording a neighbour through the walls of a building and the Guardian knowing about it two minutes later.

    After the bugging scandal a few years ago and the Leveson enquiry, I wouldn’t put it past a newspaper to carry out a disgusting act of privacy invasion. What else might they have been recording? Intimate moments? Discussing health issues? Planning children? Boris doing a morning phart on the toilet?

    Of course this is education-related and it’s naive to think otherwise. If a newspaper can do this to Boris just because he’s a public figure, why shouldn’t children, their parents, the Head covertly record your goings on when alone with little boys and girls? Why shouldn’t they be allowed to fish, to make sure you’re kosher? Where does it stop, people thinking they have a right to fish in your pond of life?
  19. FrankWolley

    FrankWolley Star commenter

    Fake news - which means not 'news' at all. Why do you keep asking this when no evidence to this effect has been made elsewhere?

    If you believe it wrong to report evidence of an assault (or worse...) it strikes me you are not child protection aware enough to work as a teacher...
  20. dunnocks

    dunnocks Star commenter

    If anyone is heard to be shouting "get off me! Get off me" from my classroom, any adult in the vicinity is more than welcome to take any steps they can to intervene, get help and establish what is happening
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