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What is the daily rate for a supply teacher?

Discussion in 'Supply teaching' started by michie_49, Apr 15, 2012.

  1. bounceback

    bounceback Occasional commenter

    How you are paid makes a big difference to what you take home. A previous agency I worked through paid me a higher rate but via an umbrella company. I no longer work for them as I found them dishonest. I am now with another agency that pay a lower rate but pay direct and my take home pay per day is slightly more. Also, their schools are generally better behaviour-wise.

    howiemartinez - it is actually the law that after 12 weeks you should get pay parity after 12 weeks according to Agency Workers Rights. The only trouble is this is open to abuse as you can be got rid of after 12 weeks in order for them to avoid paying you. It's supposed to be illegal to do this, but there doesn't seem to be any enforcement of these rights.
    Supply teachers pay seems to be a race to the bottom, apart from one or two shortage subjects.
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  2. JohnJCazorla

    JohnJCazorla Star commenter

    I'm currently on £195 a day for doing long-term Science in West Yorks. I've also swung that rate on 3 other occasions for around 7 week spells in Maths/Science in 2017. Not necessarily because I'm worth it but it is me or ....... nobody.

    There is a warning attached to this though. I got bounced off one 'long-term' placement after 3 weeks because somebody younger (and presumably cheaper) turned up and then what happened to the verbal agreement of long-term=> permanent?

    For day-to-day I've managed between £130-£145 and unemployment is the easy winner there on the vast majority of free days . Fortunately I've only had around 12 free days in 2017.
  3. zappaphillius

    zappaphillius New commenter

    Agencies will always pay you a lot less than what they invoice the school for your services. Don’t be a mug!
  4. baxterbasics

    baxterbasics Senior commenter

    I have been told today that my daily rate will be £110 by one of the biggest agencies in the UK. 17 years' experience teaching.

    If it's a long term post needing special skills (eg. my EBD experience), I will demand a lot more.
  5. BetterNow

    BetterNow Occasional commenter

    Therein lies the dilemma. I may refuse to work for less than £150 per day, but the agency may have many on their books who will accept £120. Therefore, if I demand £150, the agency might accept that, but I will get no work...

    As in all areas of teaching unless all stand together it's a hopeless race to the bottom...
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  6. bounceback

    bounceback Occasional commenter

    The agencies also generally have clauses in their contracts / agreements that the mugs (sorry, teachers), are not allowed to discuss their rates with the schools or other supply teachers. Hmmm, can't imagine why. We are really being manipulated by the agencies.
  7. Jolly_Roger1

    Jolly_Roger1 Star commenter

    Agencies can also try and Dutch auction you, saying that a school is still interested in you, but due lack of funds, wonders whether could you do it for £110 per day, then £100, then £90, and so on downwards and then the job disappears. What sort of profession has teaching become if we are reduced to this sort of sh1te!
  8. bounceback

    bounceback Occasional commenter

    Jolly_Roger1 It seems England is going the same way as Wales where it seems £90 is the going rate. What is the point of working for this rate when you can get a similarly paid job without having to deal with behaviour issues? Even if another job pays less at least the work would be more consistent. Teachers in permanent roles are being treated worse and worse and not getting pay rises so i suppose it's inevitable that it has a knock-on effect for supply teachers.
    You're right, the system is sh!te.
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  9. pink_reindeer

    pink_reindeer Occasional commenter

    I worked three days last week. My take home pay is £180. So depressing.
    agathamorse likes this.
  10. supply287

    supply287 New commenter

    a hopeless race to the bottom...

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  11. skye78

    skye78 New commenter

    £135 a day for me, general cover, rising to £150 for brief planning.
  12. tonymars

    tonymars Established commenter

    In London my current rates
    145 paye
    170 umbrella

    But looking at these posts i wonder how long these will last.
  13. Jolly_Roger15

    Jolly_Roger15 Star commenter

    It beats how you manage to get these rates.
  14. HS65

    HS65 New commenter

    Where I am in Hampshire the basic pay for day to day work seems to be around £110 - £120. Two of the agencies paying £110 I know are charging schools about £165 and £180 respectively, so .. not a bad cut!

    Longer term seems to go up to £140 - £150 ...... one example at £150 means a school is paying about £230 to the agency. AWR obviously kicks in at some point when they start to get twitchy and talking about how much schools can afford and what does and doesn't warrant a rise to scale.
    agathamorse likes this.
  15. JohnJCazorla

    JohnJCazorla Star commenter

    Why wait for 12 weeks for AWR to kick in (and discover that the school sacks you or the agency can weasel out of it)? If you deserve a decent rate in Week 12 then you deserve it in Week 2, I'll allow that Week 1 is to prove yourself.

    With the margins you mentioned the agency can afford to pay the super teacher @HS65 even more if the school is happy with you in Week 1. Even better if you can keep shovelling on the pressure and force the agency to get more out of the school as well. Of course all this depends on how desperate the agency and school is for someone who is half-decent in your area.
  16. HS65

    HS65 New commenter

    They can indeed afford to pay more. It would be interesting to find out what sort of margins they need to keep afloat ..... how much per day for each teacher they place? Negotiations are ongoing ;)
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  17. ITrunaway

    ITrunaway New commenter

    £133 a day basic and £165 long term with planning and marking. Very dismayed to find that a brother in law who's in Holland gets £75 an hour teaching supply!
    agathamorse likes this.
  18. JohnJCazorla

    JohnJCazorla Star commenter

    I've got into the habit of asking every supply I meet what they are on for that gig. I've yet to find anyone who is doing better than me even on the poor days when I've settled for £160 (my recent minimum).

    Obviously I ask this because I'm a smug git who wants to rub his wealth in but I salve my conscience by this argument.
    "Only supply agencies know the true state of the market and it's in their interests to keep both schools and teachers ignorant of this. My asking is a small means of sharing information with others so at least the lesser paid can know what they can aim for"

    Full Disclosure: I'm currently paid £200 for Maths supply in West Yorkshire and I'm in a very nice school because I jumped ship from Hell High Academy which was also paying the £200 a day.
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  19. BertieBassett2

    BertieBassett2 Star commenter

    I’m struggling to keep hold of £125 a day for day-to - day work. My favourite school pay me this but my agency tell me ‘most’ schools will only consider £120 a day now.
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  20. hlcook89

    hlcook89 New commenter

    I've been in the same school regularly all term (never covering my subject so basically being a CS), standard daily rate was £95, but one day I got £100 and thought "ooo pay rise". Next week it dropped back down so I queried it and was told it was an 'admin error', but because I'm getting great feedback they'll honour that rate going forward. Happy days, money is money.

    Jump ahead a few weeks and I've had a booking at this school for 1.5 weeks in my subject; where rather than just supervising the classes doing their work booklets they're left, they want me to deliver the powerpoint lessons and teach said lessons. Should I expect/ask for a rate improvement while covering my own subject?
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