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What is the daily rate for a supply teacher?

Discussion in 'Supply teaching' started by michie_49, Apr 15, 2012.

  1. Jolly_Roger1

    Jolly_Roger1 Star commenter

    @devils: Schools often contact me, either directly or through an agency, wanting me to work for them but not in exchange for any pay. As I have said before, I think I will have an apoplectic stroke if one more school offers me the opportunity to 'put something back'. I have been interviewed for two jobs in schools, both of which offered me the job but not the salary advertised to go with it.

    As for agencies, what could I have done wrongly? I registered with them in the usual way, was accepted onto their books and kept in regular, daily contact with them.

    I think you might have something with ageism. I know personally half a dozen retired or redundant teachers, in their 50s or early 60s who have similar experiences to me when it comes to finding work, either through applying directly to schools, or through agencies.
  2. pepper5

    pepper5 Star commenter

    If schools at agencies are not giving you work because of your age, then they are short sighted as you have years of experience of dealing with students and are an expert in science.
    Lara mfl 05 likes this.
  3. Jolly_Roger1

    Jolly_Roger1 Star commenter

    In the schools in which I have been fortunate enough to get a day's work, when I have walked into the staffroom I have wondered if I had made a mistake and found the Sixth Form common room instead. Certainly there was not the range of age in staff as there used to be, most were in their twenties, and a good half of those were not qualified teachers. Experience did not seem to be valued, as it was common to encounter HoDs who had been NQTs one or two years previously.
    schoolsout4summer and pepper5 like this.
  4. bonnie1

    bonnie1 Senior commenter

    That seems to be the norm these days. Education, which is supposed to be inclusive, is in the large part, ageist.
  5. pepper5

    pepper5 Star commenter

    At the schools I go to there seems to be a good mix of older teachers and younger teachers.

    I started supply teaching at the age of 50 and I just never have felt anyone has made an issue of my age because I don't have an issue with it. My mind is sharper now than it was 20 years ago and each day I learn something new and try to improve.
    PizzoCalabro and Lara mfl 05 like this.
  6. bonnie1

    bonnie1 Senior commenter

    That's good Pepper, but a lot of schools seem to have teachers especially, who are about 30 or younger. One head replaced all older staff with younger ones.
  7. pepper5

    pepper5 Star commenter

    I am sure that happens bonnie1 and a lot of the time it is down to cost.
    Lara mfl 05 likes this.
  8. devils

    devils Occasional commenter

    If I was in your shoes (if you havent done it already).... I would kick state schools into touch and focus exclusively on Indy's. You are less likely to experience issues with pay and they are more likely to value real subject specialism like yours.

    Also dont rule out prep schools (KS2/KS3).... Ive heard from several people that they just cannot find science teachers at the moment.... AND there is a real drive amongst all prep schools to recruit teachers with KS4 and KS5 experience for subjects like maths, science and IT.

    Im actually offended by the notion of an organic chemist not being able to find teaching work!! What a bizarre world education is......
    Lara mfl 05 likes this.
  9. Jolly_Roger1

    Jolly_Roger1 Star commenter

    @devils: Thank you for your commiserations. I know of plenty of people in my shoes, with better qualifications and experience than me. You are not the first to advise me to try independent schools. I have applied to a few but, so far, I have not got an interview. Perhaps here the problem might be my CV, which shows that I spent my teaching career teaching in state schools, which, I was told, would not endear me to Indy schools.
  10. Goblinetta

    Goblinetta New commenter

    Hi there
    I'm new to the Forums, so hope I'm posting in the right place!
    I'm not sure whether anyone might be able to share with me their thoughts?
    I've been working as a supply TA for a year or so now, but on a part-time basis, and through agencies.
    I now want to boost my hours and, in an effort, to be 'more in control of my career' ;-), I've recently started contacting local and particularly interesting schools directly.
    In the unlikely event (!) that any of them 'bite', and are happy to employ me on a freelance basis, I need to be prepared with a fee. I'm thinking around the higher end of agency fees plus tax, which I would obviously have to pay myself. The rates for TA work in my area are c. £45 - 85 (for SEN, anyway, which is the area in which I tend to work), so I was thinking around £110 (which is roughly £80 plus tax). Does this seem reasonable to anyone who has any knowledge of these things?
    Many thanks
  11. PizzoCalabro

    PizzoCalabro Established commenter

    Why would indies not value state school experience? I think you are a science teacher? They are just as scarce in indies as state, so should be a major selling point. FWIW, when I have worked in indies there do seem to be considerably older staff than in state - maybe they don't burn out as fast there??? My own children are at an indie school and the teachers I meet at parents evening are about my age,, (50s)
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  12. Lara mfl 05

    Lara mfl 05 Star commenter

    Indeed our local ones have lots of staff over 60/65 and one even has a 70 year old still teaching!
    PizzoCalabro likes this.
  13. schoolsout4summer

    schoolsout4summer Star commenter

    Over the past year I have met several Primary Heads who were in their very early thirties. One, I suspect, was in his twenties. Unbelievable.
  14. Jolly_Roger1

    Jolly_Roger1 Star commenter

    I had another dazzling sounding yesterday, from an agency. A local school (from reputation not a 'blackboard jungle' but pretty rough) wants someone to cover a maternity leave starting shortly after half term. It wants someone to start ASAP 'on a voluntary basis, transitioning to paid work when the maternity leave starts'.
  15. Lara mfl 05

    Lara mfl 05 Star commenter

    I suppose if they just mean a couple of days hand-over that might be understandable- but still asking anyone to work for no play is pretty cheeky.
    gingerhobo48 likes this.
  16. bonnie1

    bonnie1 Senior commenter

    It's utterly ridiculous!! Do some teachers actually work for no pay?
  17. Jolly_Roger1

    Jolly_Roger1 Star commenter

    @Lara mfl 05: Perhaps I misunderstood but I took it to mean paid work would start after half term, which is over four weeks away. That sounds like a con, as all the school would have to say, after you had given them four of five weeks work for free, would be, "Sorry. Not suitable."

    @bonnie1: I think new entrants to teaching might accept unpaid work in exchange for experience and a reference. This practice seems to have spilled over form other professions, such as the law, where articled clerks often work unpaid, and from the business world, where new entrants are expected to work as unpaid 'interns'.
  18. Lara mfl 05

    Lara mfl 05 Star commenter

    In which case that is totally unacceptable. A couple of days hand-over to ensure a smooth transition ,but 4 weeks does seem unnecessarily long and as you say 'suspicious'.
  19. helendarby

    helendarby New commenter

    I just signed up to a nationwide agency I saw advertised on Facebook. They're a new company, ethically driven rather than profit. They don't take commission or transfer fees so more money for us and cheaper for schools. I'm hoping as it's cheaper for schools there'll be more work. Works out at just over £30 more per day for me. I'll let you know how it goes in September!
    Lara mfl 05 likes this.
  20. yellowflower

    yellowflower Occasional commenter

    In terms of it being a new school year, do supply daily rates go up too? Do you think it's worth me asking the agency for a pay increase? Or would this mean I receive less work because they'd prefer to use someone cheaper?

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