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What is a noun phrase?

Discussion in 'Primary' started by lagerlover, Jan 26, 2010.

  1. Sorry really don't know what happened there! Was it because I cut and pasted from APP and it didn't like the font? I'll just type it again! Does an expanded noun phrase as in AF1 Level 4 writing mean just adding adjectives to describe the noun eg instead of 'the chair' say 'the green chair' or is there more to it? Want to get it right as being observed tomorrow. Thanksin advance for any help.
  2. tafkam

    tafkam Occasional commenter

    I think you're a bit confused about adverbial phrases, first of all.
    An adverbial phrase is a phrase -a few words - which act as an adverb. So it's more than one word which describes the way in which an action is done.
    For example:
    I walked quickly
    has the form: subject-verb-adverb
    The same sentence can be expanded with an adverbial phrase:
    I walked with a skip in my step
    The whole phrase explains how I walked.

    In the same way, an expanded noun phrase adds detail which means that a phrase acts like a noun. Arguably this can just be a few adjectives:
    I saw the big black cat
    But usually we would use it to refer to a phrase which expands the noun with a more interesting phrase, such as:
    I saw my neighbour's big black cat
  3. Thanks that makes it much clearer xxx
  4. Sorry tafkam another question. So are you saying that for example that 'I walked cautiously' isn't and adverbial phrase but 'I walked cautiously forward' is? As it contains more than one word about how something is done
  5. tafkam

    tafkam Occasional commenter

    Neither of those are adverbial phrases.
    The 'I walked' part isn't adverbial at all, because it doesn't describe the verb - it <u>is</u> the verb (plus is its subject)
    In some sense, I suppose, 'cautiously forward' is an adverbial phrase, although this is really just two adverbs. I'd go for something which contains some non-adverbs. So, for example:
    I walked cautiously towards the chasm
    where the final four words all work together to describe how the person walked; or
    I walked with great caution
    Here, none of the words individually are adverbs, but they work together as a phrase to act like one.
    Does that make sense?
  6. Just read your 'more confessions' thread you started which made me laugh a lot! Especially where you said 'I think lots of primary school teachers don't understand some of the grammar they are attempting to teach'. I am the case in point! I'm still confused and have poured a glass of red wine and am going for a bath! Ddecide if I don't understand | haven't a hope in hell of teaching the kids so I'm just sticking to trying to get them to add adjectives and adverbs to their writing. I'm sure the noun phrases and adverbial phrases will just happen naturally for those who are able and lets face it adding adjectives and adverbs is a bonus for some of them!Why over complicate it?
  7. groovyshell83

    groovyshell83 Occasional commenter

    I am struggling with adverbial and noun phrases. My kids have huge EAL issues so don't know phrases like 'wtih a spring in their step'. How can I teach them what an adverbial phrases is?
    And what is it called when they say 'Walking down the road, I saw a giant bear coming towards me.'?
    And... where do embedded clauses fit in to APP?
  8. janeygrey

    janeygrey New commenter

    Ref: Noun and adverbial phrases
    We use to teach it this way:-
    Noun phrases - Who? What? Which?
    Adverbial phrase - When? Where? Why? How?
    This was printed out and stuck on every single piece of writing the children did (alongside their LO and SC) and was referred to in - ie have you written a noun/adverbial phrase? It was also referred to in guided reading.
  9. wordclass

    wordclass New commenter

    If teaching EAL children, I'd avoid idiomatic phrases like 'with a spring in my step'!... Along with 'raining cats and dogs'...
    Embedded clauses probably link to WAF5 at Level 5 - 'some features of
    sentence structure used to build up detail'
  10. wordclass

    wordclass New commenter

    Avoid idiomatic phrases (such as 'with a spring in my step') with EAL children. 'Raining <u>cats and dogs</u>' would probably cause much confusion!
    Walking down the road, I saw a giant bear... --> Subordinate (non-finite) clause, main clause...
    With respect to APP question: embedded clauses - WAF5 at L5 'some features of sentence structure used to build up detail'.
    I think...
  11. sarbon

    sarbon New commenter

    Just want to make sure I understand adverbial phrases! Are these right?
    I put my coat on as quickly as I could
    The cat ate its fish with great enthusiam
    The exhausted teacher fell fast asleep in her chair. (not sure about that one).
    Thanks to anyone who checks (hint hint Tafkam).
  12. wordclass

    wordclass New commenter

    I'd say that your second and third examples do contain adverbial <u>phrases</u>. Your first example, if I'm not mistaken, has a comparative <u>clause</u>.
  13. sarbon

    sarbon New commenter

    Thanks for 'marking' my work, lol! Need more practice methinks.

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